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To: OneWingedShark
arguably even less-so than the Democratic Party: the Democratic Party at least strives for its goals and doesn't hold its base in utter contempt.

Sorry, but this part of what you wrote is bullshit. They hold everyone in contempt, including their own.
I'm sure people who wanted hillary for president would tell you to your face. No one gives a shit about them.

Don't even try to use this to pretty up the jackass party.
It just won't fly
150 posted on 09/29/2013 4:06:58 PM PDT by novemberslady
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To: novemberslady
Don't even try to use this to pretty up the jackass party.
It just won't fly

I'm not prettying up either party; I am, however, pointing out that there is an argument where the Republican party is worse. the Democratic party is somewhat honest in it's aims and goals, but the Republican Party is utterly dishonest. the Democratic Party says that some are non-people (the unborn) and thus see no real break in having "super-people" (pigs that are more equal) because, after all the born are superior to the unborn in their worldview. The Republican Party, on the other hand, will trumpet things like Justice and the Law applying to everyone… until the rubber meets the road and there is some power/influence that it would lose by pursuing Justice. (See Benghazi, Fast and Furious, the NSA, the IRS, abortion**, tax-reform, balancing the budget, financial accountability, gun control*, and limited government — what does the GOP DO on these issues besides talk?)

No, I'm not saying that the Democratic party is in any way good; but neither am I saying the Republican party is good either — what I am getting at is that there's this elevation of "our guy" [the Republican Party] as being good that's simply not the case (even when there are real arguments that "our guy" is worse).

Take a look at McCain [or Romney], as "the face of the Republican Party" — look at how they pandered to people pretending they weren't Democrats (their records and stances are pretty indistinguishable from Democrats)... and they were the ones anointed by the party. So, let me ask: what good is a Republican vote if the Republican in question is functionally indistinguishable from a Democrat? (If they are functionally indistinguishable, then every argument against Democrats [ideology-wise] applies to them as well.)


* - Gun control is an interesting case: people can point to the recent waves of defeats but when was the last time anyone really talked about cutting out the underlying laws, repealing the NFA and/or GCA? An excellent example of the Republican party claiming victory which was meaningless is the ending of the Assault Weapons Ban [Clinton era] and the reason is this: the AWB had a sunset-clause which automatically terminated the law, they had to literally do nothing to end the AWB.
** - The only real advance in the abortion front was the Partial Birth Abortion ban; I will concede that it was a victory… I will, however, ask if it was an effective victory, a significant victory. (Was it more of a feel-good legislation piece, or did it have a positive impact on the problem?)

152 posted on 09/29/2013 4:46:56 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

I never argued any point other than the fact that the democrats hold everyone in contempt including their own voters. And they do.


166 posted on 09/30/2013 3:07:53 AM PDT by novemberslady
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