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I never said that Jefferson had the exact same French citizenship status as a person who was born a French citizen. As far as him being an "actual citizen of France," Nathan Dane said he was. Nathan Dane said that Jefferson had been "naturalized in France and there made a French citizen." He further emphasized the bona-fine nature of Jefferson's French citizenship by saying that "had he gone there [he] would have been entitled to all the rights there of an adopted citizen."

And you have been SHOWN that NATHAN DANE IS WRONG. What part of NATHAN DANE IS WRONG are you not comprehending? I am completely freakin astonished that once more you claim that "Nathan Dane said so" is some sort of defense. It is not a defense at all, because NATHAN DANE IS WRONG.

Now you can of course say (like the idiot DiogenesLamp says) that Nathan Dane, the distinguished Father of American Jurisprudence, was wrong. It takes a hell of a lot of ignorance and arrogance to do it, but you can do so if you like.

It doesn't take arrogance, it takes a single fact which proves it. Here you go again.

For some reason Jeffery is just not comprehending that his Nathan Dane theory *IS* DEFUNCT. The FACTS do not support NATHAN DANE. THE FACTS ARE AGAINST NATHAN DANE. NATHAN DANE IS INCORRECT.

Oh, yeah. Well, Nathan Dane is wrong.

Yes he is. Proven wrong above. Not the only source of this information either. Several other sources are available which proves Nathan Dane wrong about Jefferson having even Honorary French citizenship. Jefferson had NO KIND of French citizenship at all.

William Rawle is wrong.

Yes he is. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court told him so in 1804. They Unanimously voted AGAINST his argument that Slaves became citizens merely by being born in the United States.

James Bayard is wrong.

No, James Bayard is exactly correct. You just misrepresent what he means when he says "born a citizen". James Bayard only recognized one means of being "born a citizen" and it required having a FATHER who was a citizen. His son clarifies his position perfectly.

All those who agreed with James Bayard (including the Great Chief Justice John Marshall) are wrong.

No, John Marshall and Bayard are both correct. They don't agree with you though. You have simply LIED and MISLED people by asserting that they DO Agree with you when they absolutely do not.

Well, the list of the most brilliant legal experts of the early United States,

And here is that F***** lie again. No, the ones who agree with you WEREN'T Brilliant, they were second class ex post facto hearsay lawyers who had no idea what was the truth because they weren't there. Those who were there do not agree with you.

and the list of historical legal experts, and conservative legal foundations, and present-day judges, and Supreme Court Justices,

All mislead by an incorrect interpretation of the Wong Kim Ark ruling.

who are outshined by the stunning brilliance of a bunch of birthers on the internet (who never attended their first law class) just gets longer and longer and longer, doesn't it?

Brilliance isn't the issue. It's KNOWLEDGE. Those who research something know more about it than those who don't. At this point, law School only serves the purpose of misleading people because it directs them to the rut of Precedent rather than independent thought.

Anyone attending Law School will be pushed into following the Herd by misinterpreting Wong Kim Ark as meaning something beyond what it says.

At what point does it start to occur to you imbeciles... Hey, maybe it's not all the great legal luminaries of American history who are wrong?

When Jeff quotes them. This is because he never accurately conveys their understanding. He simply reads it as though it agrees with him even when it doesn't. This is because Jeff is Deluded and tends to LIE to cover up the fact that his theories don't conform to the evidence.

Hmmm? Might that idea ever occur to you guys? Just a thought.

You don't have thoughts worthy of consideration. You are simply a propaganda bullshit artist who has long since gone past the time where someone should have whipped your @$$.

You are simply a propaganda bullshit artist who has long since gone past the time where someone should have whipped your @$$.

For the past 2 years, DiogenesLamp has subjected others (particularly myself) here to his bullying, ridicule, personal attacks, and outright physical threats.

I have asked for help, again and again, from Jim and the moderators here, and every time they have simply turned a deaf ear.

Once again, DiogenesLamp has stated that I should have my "ass whipped."

Jim, I need to know some things.

1. Are you actually committed to our Constitution and the truth?

Because numerous, numerous false postings by this poster which contradict and twist the words of our early legal experts, our Founders, our history and our law have been patiently and meticulously documented over the past two years. Still he is allowed to freely spin documented BS at this site with absolute impunity. It is certainly not an overstatement to say that almost every word he writes is false propaganda. And I can absolutely 100% document and explain why to you or anyone else who wants to know why.

2. Are you actually committed to the rules you have set out for FreeRepublic?

The debate on this issue has long exceeded the bounds of civility and good taste. Yes, I myself have called others "idiots." When doing so, however, I have generally given a factual reason as to why they are acting in such a way that they deserve such an appellation. And I learned long ago that the management here was not going to stick up for me against the constant insults and slander of the birthers, and that if anyone was going to do so, I would have to do so myself. About the only way to effectively do that, ultimately, has been to fight the fire with fire.

From the very beginning, anyone who disagreed with the birther mob has been falsely labeled an "idiot," a "troll," an "Obot," a "traitor," and worse. We have been slandered and insulted at every turn. This is in spite of the fact that not one Founder or Framer, not one major Constitutional scholar of any note from any point in history, and not one major conservative commentator or legal foundation has ever stated that a person has to be born on US soil of two citizen parents in order to be natural born citizen or eligible to the Presidency, and many of our most authoritative voices in history have directly and absolutely contradicted the birther claim.

This ugliness goes beyond mere name-called and false accusations that those with the historic understanding of the Constitutional term are "liars." DiogenesLamp, early on (about 2 years ago) remarked that if I could be taken out and shot, he would cheer. He has followed this up on multiple occasions with statements that I deserve an "ass beating," or that he would "whip my ass" if he got the chance.

If this is not a blatant abuse of FreeRepublic's posting policies, I don't know what is. And yet my appeals to Jim and the moderators for help have so far been met with nothing but silence.

I cannot help but think that if I had made such physical threats against others, I would have been banned long ago. It seems to me that there is a fondness for birthers here that allows them to get away with things that would not be tolerated for a moment in those of us who actually prefer a sound and honest interpretation of history and law. Perhaps that is a misperception, but based on my long experience that is my perception at this point.

Jim, I am requesting that you enforce your own policies. Why would a poster who repeatedly makes threats to "beat someone else's ass" be tolerated? Why is a poster who has previously said if another member of FreeRepublic could be taken out and shot, that he would cheer, tolerated? Why would such a poster not be banned?

Jim, I am requesting that this poster be removed so that FreeRepublic may return to sanity. I really see no alternative to this, since he has repeatedly demonstrated that he is completely incapable of any civility at all.

This is about my last resort. If DiogenesLamp is allowed to continue his rampage here, then I suppose I will simply be forced, for my part, to leave this place to the crazy people.