As usual, when you get called, you resort to belittling and marginalizing. If you forgot what I wrote, I’ll forgive you since it was last night and we’ve all had a lot to think about since then.
But, just a reminder, the lesser of two evils is trying to decide to violate my oath to obey the Constitution, or vote to keep a democrat out of office. That would apply to Cruz (eligible?) as it did to Romney (senor plastic), Bush (can’t put 3 words together to make sense, the patriot act, etc.), McCain (sheesh), Dole, Bush Sr., Ford and Nixon, and anyone else I forgot.)
I thank you for your advice to not vote again. But, since it’s given by someone who believes the following, I’ll pass on it:
Born to American father and foreign national mother in a foreign country = natural born American citizen (not a dual citizen or citizen by statute)
Born to American father and foreign national mother in a foreign country on US Military base = natural born American citizen (not a dual citizen or citizen by statute)
Born to American father and foreign national mother in a foreign country in a US Embassy or consulate = natural born American citizen (not a dual citizen or citizen by statute)(this may actually be correct, since Embassys and consulates are considered American territory)
Born to American mother and foreign national father in a foreign country = natural born American citizen (not a dual citizen or citizen by statute)
Born to American mother and foreign national father in a foreign country on Military base = natural born American citizen (not a dual citizen or citizen by statute)
Born to American mother and foreign national father in a foreign country in a US Embassy or consulate = natural born American citizen (not a dual citizen or citizen by statute)
Born to American father and American mother in a foreign country = natural born American citizen (not a dual citizen or citizen by statute)
Born to American father and American mother in a foreign country on Military base = natural born American citizen (not a dual citizen or citizen by statute)
Born to American father and American mother in a foreign country in a US Embassy or consulate = natural born American citizen (not a dual citizen or citizen by statute)
Born to resident alien foreign national father and American mother in America = natural born American citizen but not a citizen of father’s country (i.e. not a dual citizen)
Born to resident alien foreign national mother and American father in America = natural born American citizen but not a citizen of mother’s country (i.e. not a dual citizen)
Born to resident alien foreign national father and resident alien foreign national mother in America = natural born American citizen but not a citizen of father’s and mother’s country(ies) (as they may be from different foreign countries) (i.e. not a foreign citizen, dual citizen or triple citizen)
Born to illegal alien foreign national father and American mother in America = natural born American citizen but not a citizen of father’s country (i.e. not a dual citizen)
Born to illegal alien foreign national mother and American father in America = natural born American citizen but not a citizen of mother’s country (i.e. not a dual citizen)
Born to illegal alien foreign national father and illegal alien foreign national mother in America = natural born American citizen but not a citizen of father’s and mother’s country(ies) (as they may be from different foreign countries) (i.e. not a foreign citizen (not subject to American jurisdiction) or dual citizen or triple citizen)
Natural born citizen = born citizen = naturalized citizen = dual citizen = triple citizen?
Or, to put it in the parlance the Founders would understand, their “obvious” intent would have been that:
Born to American father and British mother in Britain = natural born American citizen (not a dual citizen or citizen by statute or natural born subject)
Born to American father and British mother in Britain on US Military base (if there was such a thing) = natural born American citizen (not a dual citizen or citizen by statute or natural born subject)
Born to American father and British mother in Britain in a US Embassy or consulate = natural born American citizen (not a dual citizen or citizen by statute or natural born subject)
Born to American mother and British father in Britain = natural born American citizen (not a dual citizen or citizen by statute or natural born subject)
Born to American mother and British father in Britain on Military base (if there was such a thing) = natural born American citizen (not a dual citizen or citizen by statute or natural born subject)
Born to civilian American mother and British father in Britain in a US Embassy or consulate = natural born American citizen (not a dual citizen or citizen by statute or a natural born subject)
Born to American father and American mother in Britain = natural born American citizen (not a dual citizen or citizen by statute, or natural born subject)
Born to American father and American mother in Britain on Military base = natural born American citizen (not a dual citizen or citizen by statute or natural born subject)
Born to civilian American father and American mother in Britain in a US Embassy or consulate = natural born American citizen (not a dual citizen or citizen by statute or natural born subject)
Born to resident alien British father and American mother in America = natural born American citizen but not a citizen of father’s country (i.e. not a dual citizen or natural born subject)
Born to resident alien British mother and American father in America = natural born American citizen but not a citizen of mother’s country (i.e. not a dual citizen or natural born subject)
Born to resident alien British father and resident alien British mother in America = natural born American citizen but not a citizen of father’s and mother’s country(ies) (as they may be from different foreign countries - England, Scotland, Wales, etc.) (i.e., not a foreign citizen, dual citizen or triple citizen or natural born subject)
Born to illegal alien British father and American mother in America = natural born American citizen but not a citizen of father’s country (i.e. not a dual citizen or natural born subject)
Born to illegal alien British mother and American father in America = natural born American citizen but not a citizen of mother’s country (i.e. not a dual citizen or natural born subject)
Born to illegal alien British father and illegal alien British mother in America = natural born American citizen but not a citizen of father’s and mother’s country(ies) (as they may be from different foreign countries - England, Scotland, Wales, etc.) (i.e., not a foreign citizen (not subject to American jurisdiction) or dual citizen or triple citizen or natural born subject)
Natural born citizen = born citizen = naturalized citizen = dual citizen = triple citizen = natural born subject?
Good day to you.
For example, there is nothing that compels you to view "dual citizenship" as relevant to a NBC status. You are not compelled to believe that an American citizen's eligibility to be president should depend on whether some foreign government chooses or doesn't choose to view the candidate as one of its citizens as well. Americans are not bound to consider the rules of some other government when choosing our presidents. Why do you think foreign governments should be permitted to manipulate our presidential selection by their decisions to view or not view our candidates as citizens of their countries? We have no control over how other countries choose to view our citizens.
Second, there is nothing that compels you to allow some eighteenth century Swiss philosopher to deter you from interpreting "natural born citizen" in the way most people living now and most people living at the time of our founding would have interpreted it. "Citizen at birth" is a common-sense construction for the the term "natural born citizen" - a construction that is much more natural for ordinary citizens. There is nothing that compels us to allow Vattel to define for us the pool of our eligible presidential candidates.
The obvious purpose of the NBC clause (coupled with the residency requirement) is to ensure that a president is selected from a pool of candidates who all have strong political connections to the United States by heritage and by personal experience (residence). Coupled with the residence requirement, a requirement that a candidate be a "citizen by birth" is more than adequate to protect us from strangers. The obvious purpose of the provision is to prevent the election of Prince Charles. It is not to disqualify the candidacy of an American like Ted Cruz.
You are of course free to choose what you wish to believe, but there is nothing about any of this that compels the choices you are making.