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Having It All Without Having Children
Time ^ | Aug. 12, 2013 | Lauren Sandler

Posted on 08/04/2013 8:34:51 AM PDT by Kip Russell

One evening when she was 14 years old, Laura Scott was washing dishes in the kitchen with her mother when she decided she didn't want to have a child. At 26, Scott got married and waited for her mind to change. "It never happened," she says. "And I realized I was going to be fine." Now 50, Scott is more than fine: she's fulfilled. And she's not alone. The birthrate in the U.S. is the lowest in recorded American history. From 2007 to 2011, the most recent year for which there's data, the fertility rate declined 9%. A 2010 Pew Research report showed that childlessness has risen across all racial and ethnic groups, adding up to about 1 in 5 American women who end their childbearing years maternity-free, compared with 1 in 10 in the 1970s.

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TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: abortion; birthrate; childfree; generationy; moralabsolutes; timemag; trends
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To: Kip Russell
Kids are expensive (or so I've heard).

But for those who want them, it's well worth it.

161 posted on 08/06/2013 9:19:06 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: ctdonath2
(Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)

Excellent tagline!

162 posted on 08/06/2013 9:26:20 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: Kip Russell

By “space ship” I assume you mean a vehicle of some sort which flies above the atmosphere.

What’s unnatural about that?

Contraception is an attempt to violate the laws of nature, in which sex and conception are intextricably intertwined.

Against Natural Law. Like trying to eat without gaining weight so vomiting afterwards. That is unnatural.

Building a spacecraft is not unnatural. It may be a waste of money, depending on one’s POV.

I realize that hedonits and/or atheists (often the same) put personal gratification above all else and consider any argument which includes God to be useless, so I don’t know if this discussion is going to be worth while or not.


163 posted on 08/06/2013 9:43:29 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: momtothree

“if you don’t want children then fine. However, don’t plan on changing your mind when you hit 40 something.”

I kept waiting for the “maternal instinct” to kick in. It didn’t show up when I was 20 or 30 or 40 ... or ever. I pitied my friends and family who had kids because of the angst they added to life. Now they’re dealing with angst as a result of their adult children and their grandchildren. They’re all between 65 and 70 years old now, and I don’t see their offspring jumping in to help or comfort their parents. In fact, the kids are still expecting and demanding help from their elderly parents.

Re your co-worker in your post, what a disgusting and irresponsible person (murderer)! To treat a pregnancy as if it were a pimple or something... hard to fathom.


164 posted on 08/06/2013 9:44:40 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (I feel much better since I gave up hope.)
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To: verga
And for those of us that can't have children, and that adoption has not worked out, what do you suggest?

That's not disobedience. Different point. God's will for our lives can be very, very hard for some of us. My life most certainly did not turn out as I hoped personally. But I do see in my older years, after having prayed many times to be used by God for His purposes, how He has used my life for the good of other people.

165 posted on 08/06/2013 9:56:51 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: Windflier
I've talked to my older children about that. I've told them that it's entirely possible that everything they've known in their youth, will change dramatically within their lifetimes.... These are horrifying thoughts, but we must confront what is, and tell our children the truth of what we know, to the best of our ability.

Good man.

166 posted on 08/06/2013 10:07:43 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: Kip Russell
what about a couple who gets married after the woman can no longer bear children? Their marriage has absolutely nothing to do with the begetting and raising of children. Are they not married? And if they are, why wouldn't a younger couple who choose not have children be "really" married?

People who try to oppress or outlaw the majority because of the minorities who are exceptions to the rule -- instead of creating reasonable accommodations to the minority but not letting them dictate all terms, the way our courts have lately been doing -- are liberals.

167 posted on 08/06/2013 10:16:08 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: Kip Russell
what about a couple who gets married after the woman can no longer bear children? Their marriage has absolutely nothing to do with the begetting and raising of children. Are they not married? And if they are, why wouldn't a younger couple who choose not have children be "really" married?

People who try to oppress or outlaw the majority because of the minorities who are exceptions to the rule -- instead of creating reasonable accommodations to the minority but not letting them dictate all terms, the way our courts have lately been doing -- are liberals.

168 posted on 08/06/2013 10:16:09 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: Kip Russell

sorry for the double post


169 posted on 08/06/2013 10:26:56 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: little jeremiah
Contraception is an attempt to violate the laws of nature, in which sex and conception are intextricably intertwined.

Contraception doesn't violate the laws of nature; laws of nature can't be violated by definition.

170 posted on 08/07/2013 11:01:36 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell

I have no interest in sophistry.

Tnx but no tnx.


171 posted on 08/07/2013 11:47:27 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
I have no interest in sophistry.

Tnx but no tnx.

How disappointing. I was hoping that you would explain your characterization of the use of a condom as an attempt to "violate the laws of nature". I'm really curious which law, specifically, the use of such a device tries to contravene: conservation of energy, special relativity, Gauss's law for magnetism, Planck's law of black body radiation...?

172 posted on 08/07/2013 4:02:12 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell

There are some laws and then there are other laws, and one person’s laws might not be that of another person.


173 posted on 08/07/2013 4:10:21 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Kip Russell

Who the hell reads that rag anymore!?!?!


174 posted on 08/07/2013 4:11:56 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.)
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To: noinfringers2
There are some laws and then there are other laws, and one person’s laws might not be that of another person.

The laws of nature aren't dependent on someone's opinions of them; general relativity (just to pick an example) affects you regardless of what you think of it.

175 posted on 08/07/2013 4:23:41 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Osage Orange
Who the hell reads that rag anymore!?!?!

Roughly 3.3 million people, as per their latest circulation figures.

http://www.timemediakit.com/pdf/abc-statement-time-1H11.pdf

This is down from 4.0 million in 2006, a decrease of roughly 17%.

176 posted on 08/07/2013 4:30:19 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell

General relativity is a ‘law’ pronounced by a man i.e. Einstein to explain/define observable phenomena. I can agree that what is observed is part of universal creation, but calling it a law might just as well have been called a universal ‘phenomena’. As such ‘laws’ are just other words for communication.


177 posted on 08/07/2013 4:49:46 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

“Impoverished”? Far from it. In fact people who have kids are constantly impoverished and struggling with money. Here’s the atrocious part, the women who do decide to have children go back to work before their babies have dried umbilical cords. Why would anyone plan for months for a baby and then leave it at the tender age of 3 months to complete strangers which will never nurture that child in the same maternal way? It’s got to be traumatizing for these infants that families “so called” planned. If people want to have kids, then plan on one parent staying at home for the next 7 years, having children is a committment. No, the primary purpose of marriage is not to overpopulate the earth with daycare and latch-key kids, it’s just wrong and hypocritical. And good luck getting your career started after 7 yrs as a displaced homemaker, as you will have no current work skills.


178 posted on 08/13/2013 11:25:57 AM PDT by paradiseruby
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To: paradiseruby
“Impoverished”? Far from it.

I will quote Mother Theresa

“The spiritual poverty of the Western World is much greater than the physical poverty of our people,” she told me, as the fan whirred above us, trying to alleviate the unbearable heat of that Indian city.

Emptiness

“You, in the West, have millions of people who suffer such terrible loneliness and emptiness. They feel unloved and unwanted. These people are not hungry in the physical sense, but they are in another way. They know they need something more than money, yet they don’t know what it is.

“What they are missing, really, is a living relationship with God.”

Mother Teresa cited the case of a woman who died alone in her home in Australia. Her body lay for weeks before being found. The cats were actually eating her flesh when the body was discovered. “To me, any country which allows a thing like that to happen is the poorest. And people who allow that are committing pure murder. “Our poor people would never allow it.”

And the teeming millions of the poor of the Third World have a lesson to teach us in the affluent West, Mother Teresa declared.

“They can teach us contentment,” she said, her leathery face gently smiling. “That is something you don’t have much of in the West.

“I’ll give you an example of what happened to me recently. I went out with my sisters in Calcutta to seek out the sick and dying.

Gratitude

“We picked up about 40 people that day. One woman, covered in a dirty cloth, was very ill and I could see it. So I just held her thin hand and tried to comfort her. She smiled weakly at me and said, ’Thank you.’ Then she died. “She was more concerned to give to me than to receive from me. I put myself in her place and I thought what I would have done. I am sure I would have said, ’I am dying, I am hungry, call a doctor, call a Father, call somebody.’ “But what she did was so beautiful. I have never seen a smile like that. It was just perfect. It was just a heavenly gift. That woman was more concerned with me than I was with her.”


179 posted on 08/13/2013 11:32:29 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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