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To: Kevmo; betty boop; TXnMA; MHGinTN; mitch5501
Thank you for sharing your views, dear Kevmo!

I am not inclined to deny that the speed of light is a constant.

Nor am I prepared to equate information in a physics sense (physical information) to information as it was originally defined in mathematics. Shannon's definition, paraphrased is that information is the reduction of uncertainty in the receiver as it moves from a before state to an after state. Physical information, on the other hand, is roughly equivalent to strong determinism or physical cause/effect if you prefer.

Science has a history of appropriating terms used in mathematics and along with them implied meanings which do not translate accurately to physical systems.

For instance, in mathematics one cannot say something is "random" in a system unless he defines what the system "is." The use of the term in science should not carry with it the same meaning since both the total number and types of dimensions as well as quantum fields/particles are unknown and unknowable. Science cannot deny the existence of a dimension, type of dimension, field or particle if it has no direct or indirect measurable affect.

And yet in common speak, most people I suspect understand "randomness" in science to mean the same thing that it means in mathematics. The mathematics meaning comports with God the Creator theology since only the Creator knows what the system "is."

As another example, a series of numbers extracted from the extension of calculating pi might appear random based on the numbers themselves but we know it is not random at all but highly determined by calculating the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter!

Likewise, the meaning of information as it was originally defined in mathematics (information theory is a discipline of mathematics) requires there be a message, sender, receiver, encoding, decoding, channel and noise. The definition and those elements also comport with God the Creator speaking everything into existence.

But most of these elements do not apply to physical information.

In sum, the original, mathematical, meaning of both words - "information" and "randomness" - correspond extremely well with Scripture. But the actual meaning of the words in science, not so much...

273 posted on 05/30/2013 9:01:14 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

Thanks, Alamo Girl.

I am not inclined to deny that the speed of light is a constant.
***Are you inclined to investigate the possibility? If C were not a constant, what would our world look like? Is there some obvious resulting implication we can point to which puts the kibosh on such a supposition? C shows up in a lot of equations in Physics. Perhaps there’s one that is so critically dependent on C being a constant (rather than having a correction factor where it’s dependent upon something like INFORMation) that you couldn’t even have the color blue, or something like that.


274 posted on 05/30/2013 9:30:03 AM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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