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To: mitch5501; TXnMA; Alamo-Girl; Kevmo; marron
Well, I wouldn't insist that [ETs] don't exist but I don't find anything scriptural that compels me to think they do and the universe being really really big doesn't either. When I see so much 'new age' thinking that swirls around other-worldy life out there coming to save us and see so many who reject God insisting there's other life out there I can't help being suspicious. The Bible tells us there most certainly is other intelligent life in the universe. Some of it being malevolent and maybe trying to hitch a ride on man's desire to believe in some sort of physical saviour.

Well said, mitch5501!

I had a pretty good immersion in "new age" thinking a few decades back — which postulated the existence of the Hidden Masters, a hierarchy of spiritual beings who really do run everything that takes place in the universe. If one signs up for the "training," and finds the right "spiritual master" to guide it, one can through one's own efforts eventually become such a spiritual being oneself — to, as it were, promote one's self into godhood.

Now G. I. Gurdjieff (I mentioned him in an earlier post) was a very prominent New Age guru. As mentioned, in his book Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson, he has Satan and his collaborators racing all over the universe in space ships, trying to run things. What makes Gurdjieff unique among such gurus is that he points out — and laughs at — all the stupid things that "go wrong" when these "hidden masters" get their hands on things....

It's hard to tell where Gurdjieff "is coming from." He is a self-admitted master jokester. So I guess we need to take him with a grain of salt.

I only mention this, dear brother, because you suggested that "ETs" might be malevolent beings; i.e., those of Satan's party. The Holy Scriptures are silent about rocket ships; but they are not silent about the presence of Evil Ones — malevolent beings — in the World.

Or then again, maybe Kevmo's right, and UFO sightings evidence a secret government weapons program.

It seems there is no "hard" evidence for either view — or any view for that matter — at least so far. So I certainly wouldn't want to rush to the conclusion that just because there is life like us on Earth, there is life like us elsewhere in the universe. As dearest Alamo-Girl has already pointed out, if God did create "humanlike" creatures — living beings possessing soul, intelligence and self-consciousness; i.e., beings in His own image — that reside elsewhere in the Universe, He did not tell us about it.

So please forgive me if I'm a tad "agnostic" re: this issue of ETs and UFOs. As far as I'm concerned, the jury's still out.

BTW, I don't doubt that people who report such sightings have very likely seen something real. It's just that they cannot really tell us exactly what it is they have seen. But they do hold opinions about what they have seen.

Thanks so very much for writing, dear brother Mitch!

243 posted on 05/21/2013 11:04:21 AM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: betty boop

The Holy Scriptures are silent about rocket ships;
***Ezekiel may have had a vision of one.

Ez 1:15-21

15-16 As I watched the four creatures, I saw something that looked like a wheel on the ground beside each of the four-faced creatures. This is what the wheels looked like: They were identical wheels, sparkling like diamonds in the sun. It looked like they were wheels within wheels, like a gyroscope.

17-21 They went in any one of the four directions they faced, but straight, not veering off. The rims were immense, circled with eyes. When the living creatures went, the wheels went; when the living creatures lifted off, the wheels lifted off. Wherever the spirit went, they went, the wheels sticking right with them, for the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. When the creatures went, the wheels went; when the creatures stopped, the wheels stopped; when the creatures lifted off, the wheels lifted off, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.


244 posted on 05/21/2013 11:20:18 AM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: betty boop
which postulated the existence of the Hidden Masters

Shhh...

I thought you were about to blow our cover...

245 posted on 05/21/2013 11:25:13 AM PDT by marron
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To: betty boop; Kevmo; MHGinTN; Alamo-Girl; TXnMA; melsec
"...you suggested that "ETs" might be malevolent beings; i.e., those of Satan's party.The Holy Scriptures are silent about rocket ships; but they are not silent about the presence of Evil Ones — malevolent beings — in the World....Or then again, maybe Kevmo's right, and UFO sightings evidence a secret government weapons program."

I'm not sure it's an either/or scenario.I think Kevmo's use of Occam's Razor is apt.What any purpose might be,other than the obvious military implications,is beyond me.Then again,the god of this world has been busy for a very very long time laying groundwork for the eventual appearance of someone the world will consider very very special.ie:'Spiritual Master'...'Ascended Master'...'Interdimensional Being'...'ET'...'most highly evolved man'...'World Teacher' etc etc.All of them seen far and wide as 'saviours'and all of them subconsciously seen as filling that hole in man.That is the lens through which I view this entire discussion.

Sometimes it all just sounds like some sort of cosmic Cargo-cult.

As harmless as doves but as wise as serpents seems very apt right now in this where/when.

"Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices" (2 corinthians 2:11)
"Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ" (1 Peter 1:13)

Thanks for the reply dear bb!

Grace and that peace that passes all understanding to you all!

250 posted on 05/21/2013 7:49:22 PM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: betty boop
Thank you so much for your insights into New Age thinking and G. I. Gurdjieff!

The conjecture that extra-terrestrial visitors are Satanic is fascinating. Seems to me he would have a lot to gain from making a big show and unsettling people.

But we cannot be fooled.

For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect. - Mark 13:22

You said:

It seems there is no "hard" evidence for either view — or any view for that matter — at least so far.

Indeed. All we can do is speculate.


255 posted on 05/21/2013 9:33:01 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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