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To: exDemMom

If others have been vaccinated, what fear have they of my children? Have you revaccinated yourself and your kids since vaccine immunizations do not last forever? The CDC is now encouraging a second chicken pox vaccine and second wooping cough vaccine because they work sooooo well. As for my info, I asked my pediatrician for the package inserts so you should be able to do the same. Your pediatrician has to provide them to you. They are the inserts that come with the concoctions. I’m sure vaccine makers’ web sites have the info if you’re so inclined to visit them. There are too many manufacturers to list separately. Also, many vaccines do not come in abortion-free form. Children of God for Life (cogforlife.org) has a great site with that info. Finally, the MSG issue was confirmed by docs, and if you do some research on it (webmd, Mayo Clinic, etc.) you will discover that the ingredient can be very dangerous for some people. I was able to find my info quite easily, so I’m sure it will be just as easy for you.


28 posted on 04/27/2013 12:24:56 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun
If others have been vaccinated, what fear have they of my children? Have you revaccinated yourself and your kids since vaccine immunizations do not last forever? The CDC is now encouraging a second chicken pox vaccine and second wooping cough vaccine because they work sooooo well. As for my info, I asked my pediatrician for the package inserts so you should be able to do the same. Your pediatrician has to provide them to you. They are the inserts that come with the concoctions. I’m sure vaccine makers’ web sites have the info if you’re so inclined to visit them. There are too many manufacturers to list separately. Also, many vaccines do not come in abortion-free form. Children of God for Life (cogforlife.org) has a great site with that info. Finally, the MSG issue was confirmed by docs, and if you do some research on it (webmd, Mayo Clinic, etc.) you will discover that the ingredient can be very dangerous for some people. I was able to find my info quite easily, so I’m sure it will be just as easy for you.

I already mentioned a couple of the reasons your unvaccinated children present a danger to others. But I will present a more comprehensive list of reasons.

Background: unvaccinated children are essentially primed to catch any infectious disease upon their first exposure. Many diseases become contagious days before symptoms appear. Many parents, having no other options, will send symptomatic children to school. Either way, whatever your children pick up, they will share with everyone they come in contact with during the contagious period. I should point out that measles outbreaks--which occur far too frequently these days--are almost always traced back to an unvaccinated child. The dangers are:

1) To infants. Because they have essentially no immune system at birth, they are exceedingly susceptible to catching diseases and dying from them. Diseases like whooping cough*, which may be only mildly symptomatic in an older child, have a high chance of killing a baby, or of leaving an infant with irreversible brain damage and other physical defects. 2) To anyone with an immune system dysfunction. This can be a child with an inborn defect who is unable to mount an immune response to vaccination. Such a defect also greatly increases the severity of disease, since they can't fight it off once they catch it. Immune system dysfunctions can result from cancer, organ transplants, and autoimmune diseases, since the treatments for these involve suppressing the immune system. People with AIDS--a disease which destroys immune system cells--are also highly susceptible to infectious disease; they can die from diseases that a person in good health would easily recover from.

3. To people with immune system variants that prevent them from mounting an adequate immune response to some vaccines. These people are not sick, nor do they have an immune dysfunction. But, like variations in hair and eye color, there are variations in immune systems. A particular antigen may not be recognized by their immune system, even though their immune system recognizes other antigens perfectly well. It is for this reason--immune system variability--that no vaccine is 100% effective for 100% of the people.

*An issue with whooping cough is that the original whooping cough vaccine caused numerous painful side effects. The vaccine consisted of whole, killed bacteria. Because of the side effects, a new vaccine was developed that only contains one protein from the bacteria. As it turns out, immunity against this one protein does not last for very long. As a result, even vaccinated children can get pertussis. For this reason, it is now recommended that older children receive a booster, and that pregnant women receive a booster during the third trimester to protect their babies. Also, anyone expecting to spend time around a baby should get a booster. A new vaccine, probably containing several proteins from Bordertella pertussis, is desperately needed, but it takes many years to develop and test a vaccine.

I wasn't asking for vaccine package inserts because I'm curious about looking at them--really, I look at them all the time, it's part of my job. I wanted to see specifically what YOU saw that has you all concerned about the ingredients. I can't very well explain in layman's terms what the inserts you saw mean if I can't see them for myself.

As for the MSG, I am unaware of any studies that actually show adverse effects from consuming MSG. This abstract from a review paper summarizes the situation pretty clearly (the whole article is not available without buying it). This abstract seemed somewhat alarming, until I did the calculations and determined that the dosage of MSG, molecule for molecule, was over twice the dosage of the NaCl placebo, and would equate to a dose of over 8 grams (more than half a tablespoon) of MSG per day. Who eats quantities like that??? OTOH, if someone eats a meal heavily flavored with MSG... and they dowse soy sauce on everything... and the food is heavily salted to begin with... they could easily get a high dose of sodium, which would be enough to set their electrolytes all out-of-kilter, and cause the symptoms normally attributed to "Chinese restaurant syndrome".

BTW, in case you're wondering--I am a doctor, of the PhD variety, and I do medical research. And yes, I do have all my vaccinations up-to-date. I plan to ask for the shingles vaccine on my next check-up. I had shingles a year ago (NOT pleasant!), and even though I'm too young to receive the vaccine, I do not want shingles again!

29 posted on 04/27/2013 7:14:30 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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