Question: can someone explain to me the demographic switch of the solid south?

April 18, 2013 | epsdude

[ansel12]

So you don’t have a source that can back up your silly claim that blacks make up 40% of the democrat voters.

Blacks did not take control of the national democrat party, for example being 6.6% of California did not take the state away from the republicans, perhaps you can explain how the 1.1% of the blacks in Vermont make it a democrat state.

Try to stay focused on the only thing that I am interested in.

Wrong-blacks are not “”40% of the Democrat vote overall”” and “”Blacks are today THE DEMOCRAT PARTY itself.””

[DustyMoment]

Ok, you seem to have missed the part where I stated that my post to epsdude was a GENERAL OVERVIEW and NOT ALL PARTS applied to ALL STATES. Each state had their own VARIATIONS.

However, if it will make you happy, Texas has been the most wondereful state EVER and NEVER voted Democrat and NEVER, NEVER, EVER had any Democrats, EVER!!!

Happy now?

[ansel12]

If you can read through the hysteria, read post 130, it is a reasonable and sane post.

[greeneyes]

Best I remember it also started before then. Shifting due to the integration issue. Some shifted over because the Pubbies always believed in States Rights.

All of a sudden some of the Democrats believed in state’s rights too. That’s how the liberals were able to smear the term State’s Rights by associating it with racism, and ultimately smear Pubbies as being racist too.

In general, it could even be viewed as the same old argument of the Federalist vs the Anti Federalist, and which party is perceived as being less inclined to mix in with the affairs that rightfully belong to the states.

[greeneyes]

The only law Missouri had pertained to Schools. Segregated schools were the law. The other Jim Crow laws didn’t pertain as far as I know.

Certainly not while I was growing up. There was a time when St. Louis schools were considered a model for desegregation. Then came the unwritten policy of redlining.

Real Estate Agents redlined certain areas so that blacks were concentrated in certain areas and whites in another. Defacto/real segregation.

Next you had the Courts enforced busing.

The state of Missouri was split during the civil war. The confederate sympathizers were routed from Jefferson City and ran to the area around Neosho, and claimed that they were the legal government.

Another government was elected to replace them in Jefferson City that was pro Union. The person in charge of the forces in Missouri, appointed by Lincoln, made some statement to the fact that he would rather see every man, woman, and child in Missouri dead than have the state betray the union.

And of course the civil war started unofficially early along the Kansas/Missouri border.

[muawiyah]

pret near ~ Arkansas ALSO had a Union and a Confederate government, and Virginia had a Union government in Northern Virginia, West Virginia split off, and there was a Confederate government at Richmond for a good long while.

The Copperheads in the Indiana legislature attempted to split the state, but there the more pro-Union forces were in the South and the Unionists legislators fled to Madison until the state militia, et al, could secure the rest of the state.

Modern JIm Crow laws were a product of the early 20th century. The USSC, in its usual 'split the baby and make sure it's dead' fashion, had ruled that 'separate but equal' was OK.

[muawiyah]

They exist; they're there; and they turn out to vote in vast number, even in Philadelphia and Detroit ~ where added to the traditional voting of the dead, they sweep all before them ~ in Democrat quarters.

Now, tell me, why do you want to deny that the Democrats are no longer an exclusively white party? Take a look at Hawaii ~ they have some token whites in the Democrat party, but it's a japanese-American party.

[x]

Bruce Alger, the very conservative Congressman from Dallas who led the way for Republicans in Texas, was born in Dallas, but grew up in Webster Groves, Missouri and educated at Princeton.

The two Republicans elected to Congress from Texas in 1966 were George Bush, from Connecticut, and Bob Price, who was born in Kansas and educated in Oklahoma. Ed Foreman, who briefly represented West Texas in Congress was originally from New Mexico, and went on to represent that state later.

Clements was elected Governor over a decade later. Tower's achievement was certainly important, but he came out on top in what looks to me like a non-partisan election followed by a run-off. My point wasn't that no native Texans participated in the rise of the Republican party. It was that outsiders generally led the way.

[ansel12]

Historically, though, it was Northerners like the Bushes who led the way in getting elected as Republicans in Texas.

Thanks for proving yourself wrong.

[donna]

Great summary of Nixon’s impact:

Richard Nixon’s 100th Birthday by Pat Buchanan
Because of the campaigns he [Nixon] had conducted in ‘66, ‘68, ‘70 and ‘72, a party on its deathbed in 1964 was on its way to becoming The New Majority Party, America’s Party, which would capture the presidency and carry 40 or more states in four of the next five presidential elections.
http://townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/2013/01/10/patrick-j-buchanan-n1485996/page/full/

[x]

I don’t know what your problem exactly is, but see my revised answer, “My point wasn’t that no native Texans participated in the rise of the Republican party. It was that outsiders generally led the way,” which I have proved.

[wardaddy]

You are full of dookie

The south went GOP when the dems dropped social conservatism

Not because Yankees moved in

What Yankees moving in has done is turn once conservative states like VA and NC and FL into toss ups....or like FL...lost

Mississippi has no Yankees and went GOP

Ditto..Bama Arkansas... South Carolina....Oklahoma...Tennessee too except Nashville

All went GOP trend in 70s but as someone said Carter sealed the deal

Amazing how ignorant folks are of down here

[wardaddy]

You are gonna have to weed thru the bull shite here

Amazing how stupid some freepers are

I hope you were entertained

Yankees moved south and fixed us is the biggest load of ricochet off a whorehouse wall I have ever seen here

From either stupid and young or an idiot

The irony is though.....all that will save Texas....and the rest of us is enough good northerners moving there to offset the brown wave

But why Dixie went GOP can be answered best by two I pinged

Goldwater ....John Tower....Reagan....yes...Trent Lott Jesse Helms....Strom Thurmond....all played big role

But don’t kid yourself with Pollyanna platitudes from weak pups here

Folks like Stennis.... Eastland..... would not be dems today...no dixicrat would sign on for this social agenda

[DustyMoment]

For future reference, if you would like people to read your “pearls of wisdom”, don’t start with “You are full of dookie”. It puts people off.

And I didn’t read past that.

[wardaddy]

Suits me.

You are full of crap.

NeoYankee flying Texas flag making such pompous lying claims.

Yankees saved the South..like we were a bunch of libs before northern conservatives moved south

the exact opposite is true

what frigging hubris..or is that chutzpah?

you probably left some northern craphole your people destroyed to come south and save us all

there are south bashing threads here just for folks like you

do you need me to make introductions for you Dustie?

Yankees like you we do not need, you shoulda stayed where you came from and fixed that

[Pelham]

Is that supposed to be a satire?

[wardaddy]

I watched you weave and parse about the inherent social conservativtism of southerners earlier X

man...that musta hurt

have you met Dusty...he's fulla crap like you

of course dear X...the exodus of southerners to the GOP as the dems slid off the cliff into an abyss of social progressivism was aided by outside GOP

there were not hardly any statewide GOP in the South prior to late 60s

so of course they got help

but this idiotic notion the pols and votes came from Yankees moving south is utter rubbish

quite the opposite is true...more yankees we get..more liberal that part of the South votes

Florida..NOVA...North Carolina

you are aware that aside from Arizona that Goldwater only carried Deep South states...none of which had diddly for Yankees in them

LA...MS..(my dad and grandpa)...AL...GA...SC

and that Ike carried 3 southern states in 1956 and 3 in 1952

JFK lost 4 southern states to Nixon 1960

GOP got southerners to vote for them all on their own

Its not complicated despite your propaganda...and I know having it lived it unlike your young ass

The South has been more socially conservative since the revolution

up and down thru all the crap for almost 2 centuries

many reasons...one is we are more homogeneous ...whites as well as blacks..far fewer late arrivers

secondly...Protestantism...literalism and less good works green card way of thinking

anyhow..Dems went nuts in the 1960s and many southern white voters took note....as did several GOP movers and shakers

Dems moved left to race entitlement pandering...and much worse now

GOP got Jesus and said damn...these crackers need somewhere to go

it's not complicated...The Dems left white southerners behind and the GOP snagged em

they already had some like my paternal line...mainly since the GOP were a bit more anti commie and a wee bit more fiscal restraint..attracted my male line

and now here we are...the finger in the dike while all else around us careens towards liberalism

us and a few Great Plains states and Idaho and Utah and Wyoming and sometime Indy

sad part is where Yankees have moved we have lost or must fight for bitterly where once social conservatism was a cakewalk

sadly...the future looks grim

I worry about Texas...the 75% voting Dem brown wave will win their in time...only cork in the bottle is good Yankees...they sure need all the decent folks on the west coast and northeast to move there and start banging out babies...and respect Texas unique western and southern heritage..for once

that don;t happen and in 50 years the Alamo will be a hate site...you just watch

[Pelham]

“what frigging hubris..or is that chutzpah?”

I believe it is called “invincible ignorance”. And if it is there is no amount of evidence or common sense that can cure it.

[wardaddy]

no kidding...I would wager that ignorant rant woulda even made nonsensical, illbay and wlat wince

that is mortin sult type ranting

he must been naked reading John Browns diary when he wrote that utter nonsense

there is nothing I think to these race is everything type “whatevers” that gets under their skin more than how much they owe us for being reliable votes wise and their having to depend on us in the electoral college as the world they come from or still inhabit has gone 100% Vichy

they dare not deal with their own crap in their own culture but must instead continue to denigrate ours

down here we call that “typical yankee”

*even as I train my kids to not say that given where I live most so far are glad to be here and refugess from the Left where they came from...it’s sad really...they miss back home they just know it’s a lost cause there...lol...funny in a way isn;t it..lost cause

we really did win...philosophically....we are still here...mostly united....but we better hold on cause you can see how it goes when the wrong ones move in....not just in the South...just look at Colorado

[wardaddy]

oh he’s got some cross to bear

they never fess up