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To: Jeff Winston
YOU'RE the one who denies every significant early authority, the opinions of the United States Supreme Court and every individual Supreme Court Justice who has spoken on the matter in the past 100 years, and every significant authority through United States history, including every significant conservative constitutional organization (e.g., the Heritage Foundation, National Review), and who has no real evidence showing that we ever adopted any definition for "natural born citizen" other than what history and law SAY the definition was.

And here is Jeff repeating this absolutely absurd claim, which he oddly seems to believe despite the various examples we have shown him. He seems to think that if he repeats it, that will make it true. I'm not going to bother addressing all the numerous and sundry ways in which Jeff's claim is wrong, but I will point out one. (it's the least I can do.)

Here is a rebuttal under the Heritage Foundation's banner.

255 posted on 04/19/2013 9:17:41 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
And here is Jeff repeating this absolutely absurd claim, which he oddly seems to believe despite the various examples we have shown him. He seems to think that if he repeats it, that will make it true. I'm not going to bother addressing all the numerous and sundry ways in which Jeff's claim is wrong, but I will point out one. (it's the least I can do.)

Another idiotic argument from you. This is getting to be a habit.

Since my interpretation of "natural born citizen" is supported by all known significant legal authorities from early America, our state courts and Supreme Court, and virtually every real legal expert in US history, and yours is genuinely supported by virtually NO legal authority in all of history, it's YOUR claim that is absurd. And yes, repeating it again and again doesn't make it true.

Here is a rebuttal under the Heritage Foundation's banner.

I have said again and again that there is some argument to be made against birthright citizenship for children of aliens only temporarily in the country, and especially against children of illegal aliens, but no case to be made that the children of resident aliens aren't natural born citizens.

What point is the author of the referenced article making? That exact point.

The widely held, though erroneous, view today is that any person entering the territory of the United States-even for a short visit; even illegally-is considered to have subjected himself to the juris­diction of the United States, which is to say, sub­jected himself to the laws of the United States. Surely one who is actually born in the United States is therefore "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States and entitled to full citizenship as a result, or so the common reasoning goes...

Children of parents residing only temporarily in the United States on a student or work visa would also become U.S. citizens. Children of parents who had overstayed their temporary visas would like­wise become U.S. citizens, even though born of parents who were now in the United States ille­gally. And, perhaps most troubling from the "con­sent" rationale, even children of parents who never were in the United States legally would become citizens as the direct result of the illegal action by their parents. This would be true even if the par­ents were nationals of a regime at war with the United States and even if the parents were here to commit acts of sabotage against the United States, at least as long as the sabotage did not actually involve occupying a portion of the territory of the United States. The notion that the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment, when seeking to guaran­tee the right of citizenship to former slaves, also sought to guarantee citizenship to the children of enemies of the United States who were in its terri­tory illegally is simply too absurd to be a credible interpretation of the Citizenship Clause.

Not once does the author of the referenced article attempt to make the claim that the children born here of resident aliens here legally are not citizens or are not natural born citizens. Elsewhere, the Heritage Guide to the Constitution makes clear that such people ARE natural born citizens.

So once again, FAIL.

259 posted on 04/19/2013 9:34:52 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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