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To: ksen; Jim Robinson
I know this is a contentious issue but I'd really like to know from you guys if a single payer system ended up being cheaper than our current system would you be for it.

And by cheaper I mean overall. Of course in a single payer system taxes would have to go up to pay for it but personal out of pocket expenses would go down as people wouldn't have to worry about paying for their medical on their own.

Looking forward to the fight . . . er dicussion.

Hmmm, let's see, since the Federal Government is already soooooo low cost and efficient, we could:

Put the Post Office in charge of ensuring that all the new forms and other paperwork, created under this great idea, move efficiently and cheaply between patients and all the new offices implemented around the country by the new Department of Single Payer (DSP).

Put the Transportation Safety Agency (TSA) in charge of overseeing the movement of all the "must buy" caskets being filled under the new regulations from the "We're not a Death Panel", Death Panels, implemented in all those new DSP offices. This effort will, of course, be performed in the same efficient and cheap methodology currently accomplished by the TSA.

Put the Department of Education in charge of the mandatory "reeducation" required for anyone over 60 (with future age drops "as required by budgetary pressures"), to ensure that all citizens fully understand why they need to not only have Granny and Grandpa "put to sleep" in the special rooms, in those new DSP offices. They will also need to understand why they will have to buy only DSP approved caskets (or Urns, if they choose the alternate method of "putting Granny and Gramps to rest). Of course, highly efficient and cost effective methods, like those already in use by the Department of Education will be used.

Put the Housing and Urban Development (HUD) as well as the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in charge of disposing of Granny and Gramps' homes and property. Such property will be disposed of by destruction and return to "wetlands", or presented as a welfare benefit to illegal immigrant families, selected by representatives from the Homeland Security agency. All of these actions will, of course, be carried out with the utmost efficiency and cost effectiveness already well known to these three Federal Agencies.

I could go on, but I'm sure that Conservatives on FR see the obvious advantages that could flow from your conjecture about implementing a wondrous single payer system here in the USA. In fact, they can undoubtedly identify many, many other Federal "feeding freely at the money trough" agencies that would just love to get a piece a the "Low Cost Single Payer" scam. Of course, they would take on the new inflow of taxpayer dollars and waste them in the most efficient and cost saving ways possible.

I also suspect that the real Conservatives on FR are fully aware of your real purpose in posting this BS vanity. I believe that Jim posted a number of years back that FR would not be used as a place for leftists/progressives to spew their non-conservative "ideas" in the interest of "really wanting to know what FReepers think" and "just wanting to have a good discussion". Perhaps it's time Jim reiterated that position, and sent you on your way, with a big "Zotted" stamped on your forehead.

155 posted on 03/14/2013 12:26:49 PM PDT by Col Freeper (FR: A smorgasbord of Conservative Mindfood - dig in and enjoy it!)
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To: Col Freeper

Because all of that is happening in countries with a universal type health care system, i.e. hong kong, singapore, france etc?


156 posted on 03/14/2013 12:41:51 PM PDT by ksen (". . . organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy" - Matt Taibbi)
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To: Col Freeper

Ksen is fine. He’s respectful and his posts get us thinking. That’s never a bad thing. Unless you want to live in an echo chamber forever, never having you’re beliefs challenged and never having the opportunity to learn and grow. In that case, DU is that way.


161 posted on 03/14/2013 4:25:14 PM PDT by Common Effing Sense
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