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To: Red Badger
Whether scoundrel or martyr, Richard III was the last of the Plantagenet kings. The Tudors sought to erase every vestige of Plantagenet influence and revoked titles and offices to every Plantagenet who wouldn't pledge absolute fidelity to the Tudors.

The first title was not restored until the Tudor rule ended with the death of Elizabeth II roughly a century and a half after Bosworth Field. Even then, it was a minor title to a minor Plantagenet, Lord Aston of Forfar.

He's in my mother's family tree as a cousin or uncle, not direct. The interesting thing is that the purge of the Plantagenets actually accomplished two positive things:

  1. Introduction of meritocracy to fill the scores of government and religious offices left vacant by the Plantagenet purge.
  2. Driving many of the deposed Plantagenet's into what would grow into competing schools of religious thought which planted the seeds of Puritanism. Oliver Cromwell basically acquired his seat in Parliament from modest family wealth left over by deposed Plantagenet forebears. And scores of our Puritan founding fathers can trace their ancestry back to Plantagenet royalty, including those of my mother.

13 posted on 02/25/2013 9:35:20 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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Actually, it was 142 years between the battle death of Richard III at Bosworth field (1485) and the restoration of the first title for a Plantagenet (1627).


18 posted on 02/25/2013 9:40:48 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

One minor correction: Elizabeth II is still very much alive.


23 posted on 02/25/2013 9:51:34 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Vigilanteman

Puritanism is/was the opposite of a good thing. Cromwell was a tyrant. And the Pilgrims were not Puritans.


26 posted on 02/25/2013 10:20:10 AM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Vigilanteman

You are right about the Plantagenets. I discovered I was a descendant of Thomas Dudley, the first governor of Massachusetts Bay Colony, who in turn was a descendant of Henry II, a Plantagenet king. Secretary of State John Kerry is also a descendant of Thomas Dudley, a relation I am not exactly proud to admit.

And you are right about the Tudors, easily the most bloody dynasty ever to rule England, although they did succeed in making Great Beitain a dominant European colonial and super power of that age.


28 posted on 02/25/2013 12:07:12 PM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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