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To: Dead Corpse
What is a "God"? If you accept the definition of an Omnipotent/Omniscient being that exists beyond our own mortal selves... then such a being would be as much, if not more, advanced than we are to any other lower lifeform we know of.

You'd have to define advanced in some more concrete way for me to understand your point. So far as I know, there are many "lower" life forms that we can communicate with. There are others we can't. There's no reason for me not to believe that and advance omniscient/omnipotent being could not figure out how to communicate with us.

Lots of people do things that aren't rational. As long as they aren't hurting anyone else directly, why should we get in their way? It isn't our life. It's theirs.

You've only called it irrational, not explained why it is so. But that doesn't begin to address my question. My question was what you believe is an acceptable alternative for you.

Why? You'd trust someone else to come up with those ideas for you?

I would trust someone who is omniscient/omnipresent. Wouldn't you?

Now as to the point that started this whole discussion, you keep insisting that the "why" we are here isn't important by insisting that your answer to why we are here is the correct one. That doesn't make sense to me. If you really thought it didn't matter, you would not say we are here for no reason, you would say it doesn't matter. You would not try to convince me that you are correct and there is no reason, you would try to convince me that it doesn't matter.

Whether you believe in God, Intelligent Spaghetti, or an accidental grouping of molecules, clearly it matters.

5,408 posted on 03/12/2013 1:59:52 PM PDT by ArGee (An open mind is like an open window - if you don't have a screen, you get flies.)
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To: Dead Corpse
There's no reason for me not to believe that and advance omniscient/omnipotent being could not figure out how to communicate with us.

Too many negatives and I screwed that up. Let me try again.

There's no reason for me to believe that an advanced omniscient/omnipotent being could not figure out how to communicate with us.

5,409 posted on 03/12/2013 2:00:58 PM PDT by ArGee (An open mind is like an open window - if you don't have a screen, you get flies.)
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To: ArGee
...I would trust someone who is omniscient/omnipresent. Wouldn't you?...

My question at this point is, predictably, how do you know that the "someone" you trust is, indeed, omniscient/omnipresent? What markers are there for you to be able to discern their exquisite intelligence?

Just axin'.

5,410 posted on 03/12/2013 2:05:50 PM PDT by Monkey Face (In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is freedom, in water there is bacteria. ~ Ben Franklin)
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To: ArGee; Monkey Face

I have answers for those, but... I gotta get out of here and head for home.

Later all.


5,411 posted on 03/12/2013 2:10:09 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: ArGee
You'd have to define advanced in some more concrete way for me to understand your point.

Ok... How much more advanced would you say a life form had to be to reach the threshold of Godhood? "Any sufficiently advanced technology may appear magical" and all that aside, we're talking Universe spanning beings on the order of Búri and Jehovah.

So far as I know, there are many "lower" life forms that we can communicate with.

Can you explain particle physics to a dog in a meaningful way? Why would you want to try? 10 Commandments, the 9 noble virtues, the 7 pillars, the golden rule... All of it amounts to little more than making sure the dog knows better than to pee on the carpet.

You've only called it irrational, not explained why it is so.

A rational being would factor in uncertainty. What if this really is all there is? Ending your life prematurely runs afoul of irrationality because the calculus of applying a permanent solution to a temporary problem doesn't work.

I would trust someone who is omniscient/omnipresent. Wouldn't you?

Sure. Now... Where are they? I'd like to talk to them.

That doesn't make sense to me.

Why not? We are here. Therefore, our "why" is to be here. 1 + 1 = 2. There is nothing more simple. You have one rock, you pick up another rock, you now have two rocks. "Why?" You just do... No one would go looking for a supernatural source for why one rock plus one rock suddenly equals two rocks. Nor would you assume some extra-Natural agency caused you to pick up those two rocks. You were that agency.

We are here. We are interacting with the reality around us. If there is any purpose to all of this at all, that is it.

End of line. Close file.

5,466 posted on 03/13/2013 6:02:43 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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