Adolf Hitler in Religious Surroundings: Is There Really Evidence That the Führer Was a Christian?

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[Skepolitic]

Hitler also praised Roosevelt’s economic and social programs:

He “told American ambassador William Dodd that he was ‘in accord with the President in the view that the virtue of duty, readiness for sacrifice, and discipline should dominate the entire people. These moral demands which the President places before every individual citizen of the United States are also the quintessence of the German state philosophy, which finds its expression in the slogan “The Public Weal Transcends the Interest of the Individual.”

I doubt that Hitler was ever so effusive in praise for either the Roman Catholic or believing (non-Nazi) Lutheran clergy.

[YankeeReb]

I don't know what Hitler was or was not. I do know that for the most part muslims were at the very least sympathetic to Naziism for the most part , up until the end when he was about to lose. Israel hadn't been founded at the time so we can't say it was because of their wanting their land back.

Just sayin'

[crz]

People who are possessed by satanic spirits are masters at deception..as Satan is.

We have a president who is such. Remember letting the phrase out..endowed by our creator? Several times in his speeches?

[haffast]

Catholic Church and Nazi Germany
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_Nazi_Germany

Vatican City during World War II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City_during_World_War_II

Catholic Church Reveals World War II Secrets
http://abcnews.go.com/International/Story?id=2463378&page=1#.UNuv6qwieSo

The Church's role in the Nazi Holocaust
http://www.religioustolerance.org/vat_hol12.htm

Vatican plans to open secret war archives - 7/7/2006

"But in a clear attempt to counter such claims, and therefore improve relations between Jews and Catholics, the Pontiff has ordered that "all documentary sources", from 1922 until February 1939, be made available for historical research."

"Most Jewish spokesmen welcomed the Vatican's decision, but some insisted that the Church must also open all its files from the World War Two years, 1939-1945."
http://archive.catholicherald.co.uk/article/7th-july-2006/4/vatican-plans-to-open-secret-war-archives

Pope Pius XII and the Holocaust

"The International Catholic-Jewish Historical Commission (ICJHC), a group comprised of three Jewish and three Catholic scholars, was appointed in 1999 by the Holy See's Commission for Religious Relations with the Jews. In October of 2000, the group of scholars finished their review of the Vatican's archives, and submitted their preliminary findings to the Comission's then-President, Cardinal Edward I Cassidy. Their report, entitled "The Vatican and the Holocaust," laid to rest several of the conventional defenses of Pope Pius XII."

"The often-espoused view that the Pontiff was unaware of the seriousness of the situation of European Jewry during the war was definitively found to be inaccurate. Numerous documents demonstrated that the Pope was well-informed about the full extent of the Nazi's anti-Semitic practices. A letter from Konrad von Preysing, Bishop of Berlin, that proved that the Pope was aware of the situation as early as January of 1941, particularly caught the attention of the commission. In that letter, Preysing confirms that "Your Holiness is certainly informed about the situation of the Jews in Germany and the neighboring countries. I wish to mention that I have been asked both from the Catholic and Protestant side if the Holy See could not do something on this subject...in favor of these unfortunates." The letter, which was a direct appeal to the Pope himself, without intermediaries, provoked no response. In 1942, an even more compelling eyewitness account of the mass-murder of Jews in Lwow was sent to the Pope by an archbishop; this, too, garnered no response."

"The commission also revealed several documents that cast a negative light on the claim that the Vatican did all it could to facilitate emigration of the Jews out of Europe. Internal notes meant only for Vatican representatives revealed the opposition of Vatican officials to Jewish emigration from Europe to Palestine. "The Holy See has never approved of the project of making Palestine a Jewish home...[because] Palestine is by now holier for Catholics than for Jews." Some Catholic higher-ups violated this position of the Vatican by helping Jews to immigrate when they were able to; most did not."
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/pius.html

Vatican politics continue today:

Roman Catholic Cleric, Celebrates Palestinian State - (12/24/2012) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2972395/posts

[rmlew]

The Roman Catholic Church was taking in Jews when Roosevelt and Hitler's helper Breckenridge Long refused to fill immigration quotas, or allow in refugees. The failure of the church was to condemn and defrock the Ustasha collaborators.
Did you expect the RCC to go to war with Mussolini and Hitler?

[fish hawk]

LOL, there were Pope's that were not Christian. How asinine.

[Blue Collar Christian]

Well there’s plenty of evidence he WASN’T.

[ColdSteelTalon]

Agreed. Like I said OFFICIALLY he was a Christian. But he was a pagan in the heart and wanted to move the people back to essentially pre-Christian paganism in one form or flavor or another. There are a number of books about Hitler the Nazis and their associations with the occult. Its a very well documented subject.

Regards.

[conservative_crusader]

The question of Hitler being a Christian or not has long been a point of contention for me. The issue I take here is that it makes no sense that Adolph Hitler should be transformed by the forgiving power of Christ and yet be compelled to commit genocide against the people of which the Bible says:

“I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.”

Even if one operates on the assumption that there is no God (which I certainly reject outright) then one would expect Adolph’s religion to affect his outlook, but we see the opposite. Hitler’s political agenda is causal upon his identity, and so if Hitler is a National Socialist, then his Christianity must also uphold his concept of National Socialism.

This is the problem of Hitler’s so-called Christianity: The “theology” of the Reichskirke was one that enabled an evil political agenda. It is a “theology” and “morality” that compels the mass murder of “undesirables.” It is not a genuine theology or morality, and I am convinced that the “Christianity” of the Third Reich is not one that saves. This is because it worships a Christ that did not pay the debt for sin nor would he be a suitable sacrifice. It worships an “Aryan” Christ with blonde hair and blue eyes that never existed - a “Christ” that is not God. It is a cheap Christ that offers cheap grace - and in the end you get what is paid for.

[haffast]

Did you expect the RCC to go to war with Mussolini and Hitler?

No. They helped put them in power.

As a 21st century man looking back at 20th century men and at the times and place they lived in, I believe I see that by the Vatican's actions they followed their Adamic nature to save their own skin while ignoring "social justice" for the Jews.

Currently, the RCC is after what they have always coveted, Jerusalem, and their great concern is "social justice" for the dispossessed Palestinian Islamic terrorists, only because it serves their political needs for leverage against Israel to wrest away the object of their covetousness. In either century, the Jews draw the short straw, as is their fate until they come to recognize their real messiah.

If choosing sides invokes error, I'll err on the side of the Jews, and let the RCC and the PLO rail against me.

Mussolini and Hitler are reflections of the people who put them in power in their time, just as Obama is a reflection upon the majority of people in this country who voted for him. Who is drawing the short straw now? Both Christians and Jews, and that was foretold by the prophets of God, and His Son.

[fabian]

oh please..this title is ridiculous!

[rmlew]

No. They helped put them in power.

Where do you get the idea that he Roman Catholic Church helped install Hitler and Mussolini?

Currently, the RCC is after what they have always coveted, Jerusalem, and their great concern is "social justice" for the dispossessed Palestinian Islamic terrorists, only because it serves their political needs for leverage against Israel to wrest away the object of their covetousness. In either century, the Jews draw the short straw, as is their fate until they come to recognize their real messiah.
Of course the RCC wants Jerusalem. But they also want to protect millions of Christians, who are all but hostages in Muslim lands.

[haffast]

Where do you get the idea that he Roman Catholic Church helped install Hitler and Mussolini?

German federal election, March 1933

"In addition to this, Hitler needed a two-thirds majority to pass the Enabling Act, a law which allowed the Cabinet to enact laws without the approval of the Reichstag for a four-year period. He obtained this majority by persuading the Catholic Centre Party to vote with him with regard to the Reichskonkordat. The bill was passed on 23 March with 444 against 94 votes. Only the Social Democrats led by Otto Wels opposed the measure, which came into effect on 27 March. Several Social Democratic deputies were kept from attending, but even if all 120 Social Democrats had been present the measure would have still passed with the required supermajority. The powers gained from the bill turned the Hitler government into a de facto legal dictatorship.

Within four months, the other parties had been eliminated either by formal banning or Nazi terror, and Germany was firmly a one-party state."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_March_1933

Reichskonkordat

"The Reichskonkordat was a treaty between the Holy See and Nazi Germany, that guaranteed the rights of the Roman Catholic Church in Germany. It was signed on 20 July 1933 by Secretary of State Eugenio Pacelli (who later became Pope Pius XII) and Vice Chancellor Franz von Papen on behalf of Pope Pius XI and President Paul von Hindenburg respectively. The Reichskonkordat is the most controversial of several concordats agreed between various states and the Vatican during the reign of Pope Pius XI and is frequently discussed in works that deal with the rise of Hitler in the early 1930s and the Holocaust. The concordat has been described as giving moral legitimacy to the Nazi regime soon after Hitler had acquired dictatorial powers, and placing constraints on Catholic critics of the regime, leading to a muted response by the Church to Nazi policies. From a Roman Catholic church perspective it has been argued that the concordat prevented even greater evils being unleashed against the Church. Though the German bishops were unenthusiastic, and the Allies felt it was inappropriate, Pope Pius XII argued to keep the concordat at the end of World War II and the treaty is still in force today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat

Lateran Treaty

The Lateran Treaty was one of the Lateran Pacts of 1929 or Lateran Accords, agreements made in 1929 between the Kingdom of Italy and the Holy See, signed on February 11, 1929 and ratified by the Italian parliament on June 7, 1929, ending the "Roman Question". Italy was then under a Fascist government; the succeeding democratic governments have all upheld the treaty. The Lateran Pacts were in 1947 incorporated into the democratic Constitution of Italy.[1]

Negotiations for the settlement of the Roman Question began in 1926 between the government of Italy and the Holy See, and culminated in the agreements of the Lateran Pacts, signed—the Treaty says[3]—for King Victor Emmanuel III of Italy by Benito Mussolini, Prime Minister and Head of Government, and for Pope Pius XI by Pietro Gasparri, Cardinal Secretary of State, on February 11, 1929. The agreements were signed in the Lateran Palace, hence the name by which they are known.

The agreements included a political treaty which created the state of the Vatican City and guaranteed full and independent sovereignty to the Holy See. The Pope was pledged to perpetual neutrality in international relations and to abstention from mediation in a controversy unless specifically requested by all parties. In the first article of the treaty, Italy reaffirmed the principle established in the 4 March 1848 Statute of the Kingdom of Italy, that "the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Religion is the only religion of the State".[4] The attached financial agreement was accepted as settlement of all the claims of the Holy See against Italy arising from the loss of temporal power in 1870.
Silence for Thirty Pieces of Silver

The Jews have been after the Vatican to make available the Secret ("private") Vatican Archives to historians and scholars during the WWII years. So far Pope Benedict XVI has only allowed it up to 1939, and repeated efforts to open up the period from 1940 - 1946 has been turned down because of "technical difficulties", "we only have two guys working on it", or, as one cardinal has stated, "we are just trying to keep from hurting the Jews and Catholic-Jews relations". Right. 68 years later, still no access. The most important information that could possibly settle this longstanding dispute between "Christians" and Jews is not available.

The most "transparent" regime award goes to the RCC, Obama doesn't even come close. Just keep delaying and obfuscating and it will soon be forgotten, meanwhile keep the RCC apologists out there beating the drum and whitewashing history to hide their dark involvement in it.

The Left derides the "Religious Right" for saying anything.
The Right condemns Islam and Sharia Law.(rightfully so)
Silence for the RCC's political intrigues down through history for risk of being bashed, called haters or Hellbound seed of Satan(the defense of last resort).

Of course the RCC wants Jerusalem. But they also want to protect millions of Christians, who are all but hostages in Muslim lands.

So once again the Pope is on a course of appeasement to evil for the greater good, or is it for political gain? How'd that work out in the past?

Let Us Sing
http://http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2972860/posts?page=4#4

http://biblesuite.com/2_john/1-11.htm