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To: passionfruit

That stove is interesting but only as a backup to your backup. Get a liquid multi fuel camping stove that burns reg gas, a multi fuel lantern and a propane lantern. Then get the converter that allows you to burn propane in the same stove. Buy the hoses and lager bulk propane tanks and a couple of indoor rated heaters that will also run off of the propane tank. Add an upright distrabution pole to the tank and you got it all together. A stove to cook on, heaters, and light. Two to four 10 gallon propane tanks will last you for a couple of months if you watch how much you use everything. Keep the gas in reserve and use it in the stove and the multi fuel lantern if the situation is prolonged.
The best advise I can give to the “city folks” is to become avid campers. Go places that have no electricity or bathroom and see what you need to survive (fuel, warmth, food, sanitation, and water) then see what you want to add to be somewhat comfortable for two months. This will be the least of the amount of equipment and supplies that you should have stashed.
If this storm has taught the city folks anything at all it should be that they need to ready to take care of themselves and not leave it to the government to bail their butts out.


17 posted on 11/19/2012 2:16:05 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: oldenuff2no

I built myself one of these:

Ammo Can Rocket Stove:

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18 posted on 11/19/2012 2:20:01 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: oldenuff2no

Actually, we have a kitchen range that s quite simple. It was a gas stove, that we had converted to propane. I can light it with a match if the power goes out and the electronic ignition doesn’t work, for heat, we have a wood stove that isnt designed gor coming in the livingroom. It has a large flattop, so I can and do, cook on it, I have some enameled Dutch ovens that I use on that stove for cooking all the time. I use it for applications that are low and slow, and I love the idea that I’m using the wood that we heat the house with to cook, and we aren’t paying twice, once to heather house, and once to heat the food.

The only way we could be more efficient would be to also heat our water, and we usually have two stock pots of water on the wood stove filled with water, which I use to wash dishes. Eventually, we would like to do something with the wood stove and coiled copper tubing to heat water for showers, etc.

If we were to get the Bio Lite stove, it would be a backup, that would allow us to charge cell phones and iPads. I’m impressed with the technology and at $129.00, it is pretty reasonable. When the weather is too hot to cook inside with the wood stove, I could fire that puppy up outside to cook and keep the indoor temp bearable!

That would also be a backup, as I have a large grill (wood fired BBQ) that I use all the time to cook entire meals. With meat on one side and a skillet or saucepan on the other. I have preps for cooking off grid and use them all the time.


31 posted on 11/19/2012 10:18:02 PM PST by passionfruit (When illegals become legal, even they won't do the work Americans won't do)
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To: oldenuff2no

I keep an MSR Dragonfly stove in a 50 cal ammo can, along with two fuel bottles of white gas and a spare gallon of white gas handy. I can load it with regular gasoline or convert it to diesel, if necessary. My kids and I cook on it during the summer, just to make sure it’s working.

Good advise on testing your gear. My MSR stove was giving me fits, so I finally did some maintenance and replaced the original factory pump with a new model. It now runs (and sounds) like a jet engine.

I also have isobutane “Pocket Rocket” stoves, along with hand-made alcohol stoves. I keep three filled propane tanks handy, and can use those on my backyard grill which has a separate stove burner.

I’m watching the news this morning and FOX seems to have a habit of hosting bitchy, whiny survivors who think that their house deserves some special attention. THOUSANDS of homes were destroyed and they’re bitching about “disaster” relief. In any other country, they’re be pulling hundreds or even thousands of bodies out of the mud and the entire world would be mounting massive relief efforts. Sure, some people died, but everybody left behind has significantly better options than the rest of the world. They need to nut up and get on with reconstruction. Going on FOX News isn’t going to help.


32 posted on 11/20/2012 5:05:38 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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