That's funny, I always thought those people who think our laws allow Anchor babies came off looking like fools, but do go on.
Here's the elephant in the room: For a general public forum, FR is about as willing to listen to birthers as it gets. If at least half of us believe you're loons, you frankly don't have a chance of accomplishing anything other than making conservatives look bad.
Argumentum ad populum. If you're smart enough to know what that means, then your wrong, if not, then that also proves my point.
As driftless2 already noted, we're lucky the birther arguments weren't a big issue in this election. If they had been, we would've gotten even fewer votes, and what little chance we ever had of maybe getting to 270 would've been just about zero.
Oh yes, losing by an extra million would be far worse!!!!
All of which aside... do you really think that promoting birther claims HERE is going to have the slightest effect on Obama? Even if they were true?
I don't care about Obama anymore, that ship has sailed. What I care about is rubbing your faces in the fact that your interference seriously bolloxed something that might have worked, and certainly couldn't have turned out worse than what we have now. Had we gotten a single state to demand to see an official original birth certificate from Hawaii, we would have called his bluff. You guys voted with your mouth to fold em without calling to see his hand.
Had Obama refused to produce his document (as he curiously did in the court trial in Georgia) he could have been kicked off the ballot in a single state. That would have produced an avalanche of inquiry as to why he did this, and thereby spur further demands to see his bonifides.
If he could produce the real thing, and get Hawaii to stamp it "official" then we are no worse off, despite all your concerns that this would have cost us ten million more votes. (A highly dubious claim.) If, on the other hand, he absolutely refused to produce it for any state, the media would not have been able to save him, because even the slowest person would realize that this doesn't make any sense unless he's hiding something.
We had a hammer with which to beat him easily, and you guys helped throw it away because you didn't think it would work. Well what we did do didn't work either.
If you really believe all that Birther Stuff (henceforth abbreviated as "BS") then why not take your concerns to our Republican leaders in Congress and to the courts?
The Mainstream Republican herd had already made up it's mind (based on those newspaper adverts) and the courts are filled with people who are badly misinformed on this issue. One must research it a lot to understand it properly, and over the last two hundred years, there has been seldom a need to do so.
Oh, wait... I remember now. Birthers have taken their BS to our Republican leaders in Congress and to the courts. Again and again.
"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."
In the first case, it looks like there's hardly anyone in Congress who gives any real credence to the "forgery" arguments. And legally, our Congresscritters asked the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service for advice, and they went and researched the issue and wrote a long paper that said no, you don't have to have citizen parents to be a natural born citizen, as long as you're born in the USA.
Yeah, they're wrong, but nobody cares. They have just enough credibility to provide cover, and that's all anyone wanted anyway. Again with the "argumentum ad populum."
As far as the courts go, birthers have brought how many law suits now? 100? 150? I lost track a long time ago. Exactly how many of those have birthers won?
None that I know of, but it's more proof that our judiciary is screwed up than anything else. What can you expect? They have all been mistrained in this area. In the Georgia case, the defendant didn't even bother to respond, but he won anyway. When does THAT happen in the legal system?
As I recall there was even a lawsuit where the judge let Orly Taitz and her super snazzy team of experts present all of their evidence that Obama's birth certificate is supposedly a forgery, and that he's ineligible even if it isn't. And Obama's lawyer didn't even bother to show up and defend against what they said.
And that's the case i'm talking about. According to the normal methodology of the courts, not showing up is an automatic loss, but they didn't even follow that rule when it came to Barry. Like I said, the courts are screwed up and they don't WANT to deal with this.
So the judge sat and listened to it all for 3 or 4 hours, and then said "Well, none of this is convincing enough to take the matter any further," and dismissed the case.
Well that's ONE theory. Again, if you don't understand the law, you're liable to make all sorts of mistakes like this. It's a pity that so many of these people have a wrong understanding of the law regarding this matter.
When your prosecution team can't win the case even with nobody making a defense, that ought to be a clue: you don't have a case.
Not at all. As most legal people rely on Precedent, a wrong or misunderstood precedent will cause all subsequent lawyers/Judges to follow the same wrong path. It's like that Squadron that flew in the ground. Their leader flew into the ground, so the rest of them followed him.
Not that any of us expect you to figure out anything so subtle as that. Keep fighting on. Surely Obama will be thrown out of office. Any day now.
Oh, not at all. Obama may be here to stay. Like Chavez down in Venezuela, he might become El Presidente for life, and we have people like you to partially thank for this.
Now that you've had your childish little rant, know this. I am only referring to the effort to get his official documents before a State Election board. In case you missed it, THAT NEVER HAPPENED. You can talk all the sh*t you want about this or that, but the fact remains that no one with the authority to rule on ballot access has EVER SEEN HIS PAPERWORK.
Thank you, and people like you for working to let him in on His and Nancy Pelosi's word alone.