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To: Sherman Logan
Yeah, God does have a thing about people who burn their first born children alive to sacrifice to an Idol. He also hates it when people are murderers and oppress the poor.

Now that IS the point of the ‘wipe them out, they are beyond redemption’. Perhaps if you were totally evil, you could hate the righteous and want to ‘wipe them out, they are beyond corruption’ but that still would be a corruption of the Torah. A complete 180 mirror image is still backwards from reality.

My point is, to excuse the Holocaust, the murder of the innocent by a madman, by trying to mirror the command to destroy evil to protect the innocent and completely ignore all the framework of the evil and why it is so corrupting of an influence is PURE evil at work. By the same logic a woman who fights being raped is a violent person and should be punished. Evil to the core.

And for your information I read the Torah every year, and the Tanach and the New Testament. Have read, studied and tried to understand the Law of God for years, every day of the year.

Might I suggest you go back and read the Torah yourself, this time starting at the beginning and at least go through till the Psalms. It is real hard to understand what is going on in any book by picking a chapter or couple of paragraphs out of the middle and writing a book report on them. God is a very complex guy, He deserves a decent in context reading.

The reading on the side fills in some of the practices of the Canaanite culture, such as the statue of Moloch, a hollow bronze Idol of a human form with a bulls head 10 foot tall that was filled with wood and burned till it glowed red. Then people would throw their first born baby into its arms to watch it sizzle.

To put it in a more modern context, I went to the museum and saw an old Cannanite temple site. The center altar stone had a cresent moon on its back, just like the ones on top of all the Mosques.

The Israelites failed to complete the job... They’re back! Only now, they just wrap their children with explosives. I wish the Israelites had the heart to complete the job back then, for the incredible amount of suffering caused by the Canaanite descendants throughout history. They have wiped out the Persian Culture, Caused the Dark Ages, wipe out the Egyptians and many other cultures. It seems, strangly enough, that God was right! Funny thing, always seems to work out that way in the end.

14 posted on 10/21/2012 10:13:31 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel

A. The Canaanites were not Arabs, and the Arabs are primarily descended from related peoples, not Canaanites. But then the Jews themselves are closely related genetically and linguistically to both the Canaanites and the Arabs. With the exception of the Jews, and possibly the Chinese and Japanese, it is pretty much meaningless to talk about continuity of a single “people” from 3000 years ago to today, except of course in a geographical sense. There were no English people then, not to mention of course no Americans. The Moabites are gone, as are the Amalekites and the Midianites. The Egyptians are the same people only in a geographical sense, as are the Greeks.

B. My point was simply that the command God gave the Jews in the Torah was pretty much exactly the same command Hitler gave the SS. Kill ‘em all. You may believe, quite possibly rightly, that God was in the right to do so while Hitler was wrong. But you quite simply cannot show that they were not doing the same thing. This makes it impossible for you to say Hitler was doing something that was inherently wrong, as you say genocide ISN’T always wrong, being ok to do if God has told you to.

C.Per your claim that God hates those who kill their babies and oppress the poor, and that this therefore justifies the genocide of the Canaanites. How does it help those babies or those poor Canaanites (the ones being oppressed) to have another people come in and kill them all? If that was really the issue, why not rescue the oppressed instead of killing them?

FWIW, I’ve read the entire Bible through perhaps half a dozen times, besides decades of additional study.


19 posted on 10/21/2012 3:52:07 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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