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To: NKP_Vet
Yours has to be the single most bogus argument I have ever heard.

So, in a state like Mississippi in 1860, the enslaved population numbered 436,631, or 55 percent of the state's total of 791,305

It is numbskull IDIOTS like you that believe that the South had any relevance or validity. How can you freaking secede when 55% of your population does not even get a vote?

The South then had ZERO moral rights to complain about anyone invading them. After all, they could not even truthfully say they represented the majority of their population.

If the blacks had been allowed to vote in any of the Southern states, not ONE of them would have seceded.

The only one influenced by propaganda (and possibly moonshine and inbreeding and a faulty education) is you.

ALL mankind was created equal. ALL of mankind has been freed from sin by Jesus and NO ONE can own another man.

And for the record, before you even ask the idiotic question, I am not Black nor am married or related to one. I do however have a brain and believe in our Lord.

Whatever one thinks of Lincoln (and there are cogent arguments to be made both ways), to justify the South and Slavery is so out of the bounds that I am surprised you are not walking around with cape on your head

62 posted on 09/22/2012 10:35:03 AM PDT by SoftwareEngineer
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To: SoftwareEngineer; Albion Wilde; SeaHawkFan; Future Snake Eater

Thanks!


67 posted on 09/22/2012 10:54:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

Since you like to throw insults around let me say you are a prime example of the brain washing that has been going on for the last some 160 years. Lincoln was a murdering pychopathic, two-bit railroad lawyer that was doing the bidding of the industrial Northern bosses he worked for.

“Americans celebrate Abraham Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address, but H.L. Mencken correctly evaluated the speech, “It is poetry not logic; beauty, not sense.” Lincoln said that the soldiers sacrificed their lives “to the cause of self-determination — government of the people, by the people, for the people should not perish from the earth.” Mencken says: “It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of people to govern themselves.”

http://www.americancivilwarforum.com/the-gettysburg-address-2021514.html

What Lincoln REALLY thought about blacks.

“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.”

Abraham Lincoln
(1809-1865) 16th US President
Source:

Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois, September 18, 1858
(The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, pp. 145-146.)


68 posted on 09/22/2012 10:59:21 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: SoftwareEngineer; NKP_Vet; Ohioan
How can you freaking secede when 55% of your population does not even get a vote?

Good question huh?

then what about all those Yankee women then pray tell..51% of northern population...did they vote??

You are aware that as late as 1840s that all white males did not vote anyhow and that initially only those who had property deeds registered locally could vote?

feel free to bash owning people as property, from our lofty but decayed perch we can preen with impunity but the who got to vote in 1860 argument is irrelevant

btw...just look at yourself...shouting how noble you are over tropical africans here but resorting to basically every personal invective specifically designed to slur that person's ethinicity and origin and class known... to hurl at your opponent here...do you even notice that?

Isn't that what you think you are fighting against yet you do it yourself with little or no provocation

it's ok to call one an inbred hick who sleeps with sisters as long as ONE LOVES BLACK PEOPLE...where did you learn such logic?

at engineering school?

which one...I want to be sure to have my boys avoid it

69 posted on 09/22/2012 11:11:13 AM PDT by wardaddy (this is a perfect window for Netanyahu to bomb Iran..I hereby give my go ahead..thanks Muzzie idiots)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

“”ALL mankind was created equal. ALL of mankind has been freed from sin by Jesus and NO ONE can own another man.””

One only needs to read Jefferson’s letter to John Adams to understand that Jefferson was an anti Christian bigot. Jefferson was the worst kind of heretic there is -on the same level of someone like Bill Maher

Excerpt from Jefferson’s letter to Madison...

“And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter”-Thomas Jefferson
http://www.beliefnet.com/resourcelib/docs/53/Letter_from_Thomas_Jefferson_to_John_Adams_1.html


79 posted on 09/22/2012 12:19:57 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: SoftwareEngineer
If the blacks had been allowed to vote in any of the Southern states, not ONE of them would have seceded.

Untrue, if you mean blacks would have outvoted whites on the issue.

Blacks were a majority only in MS and SC.

However, you are right in that if blacks had been allowed to vote, they wouldn't have been slaves, and without slavery there would have been no incentive to secede.

84 posted on 09/22/2012 2:00:01 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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