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To: daniel1212

Sorry but you are going by second and third hand references as though you had the books yourself referring to actual pages. Check back with me when you actually have one of his books.
You are a liar because Roy is nothing like new age and he does not believe at all that we become one with the universe. Even a cursory research on him speaking om youtube shows people that. You are a deciever and manipulator because you yourself believe the lies as truth. You are just another rote phoney type of christian. Maybe someday you will see that, who knows.


620 posted on 09/30/2012 12:16:36 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: fabian; mitch5501; Elsie; metmom; CynicalBear; smvoice; Tuanedge; Godzilla; Springfield Reformer; ..
Sorry but you are going by second and third hand references as though you had the books yourself referring to actual pages. Check back with me when you actually have one of his books.

You are simply condemning yourself by continually slandering those who expose Masters based upon his own documented material, some of which you also deny as being his work.

This behavior of denial of proof indicates that this is what Masters' teaching fosters and thus it impugns the very thing you though to defend.

In addition, while you denied that "Occasionally you will feel suspended in space, as if your body had melted into the universe and become "one" with all nature" was a quote by Master from "How Your Mind Can Keep You Well” (as well as other quotes) because it was not from www.fhu.org, and thus you required me to have a physical book, well, it turns out that that his site has it this book a pdf file (www.fhu.com/books/mind_well/HowYourMind.pdf). And indeed it has those quotes, and thus he must be offering fabrications himself.

Regardless of what you want to call it, this is not the teaching of Scripture, as seen by te many quotes from that book and more (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2931985/posts?page=569#569) regardless of what the voice in your head may tell you through the medium of Masters meditation.

The below teaching is all in the pdf file. And this even has page numbers (but which i did not check yet):

►The evidence of a Higher Presence in meditation is a change in breathing. 233 (p. 31)

►Cold shivers, occasional perspiration, and labored or heavy breathing reveal contact-response to a higher consciousness. It means something has been added that is causing changes to occur. (p. 40)

►The meditation causes chemical changes within the body as poisons are expelled. You may experience a cold that lingers as poisonous substances are ejected. You may notice a change in bowel habits and other bodily functions.

►You will receive a mild feeling of stimulation, almost like that provided by a shot of brandy.

►At times you may feel as though you were wearing a tight skullcap on your head. You may feel your face tightening up as the lax muscles contract...

► Occasionally you will feel suspended in space, as if your body had melted into the universe and become "one" with all nature. . . . You will find yourself expressing wisdom and knowledge that you never outwardly learned or heard before. (pp. 40-41)

►Sometimes you will hear, quite distinctly, words "spoken" to you in short phrases. Do not be alarmed. (p. 42)

►Each new stratum of consciousness is entered only when we have successfully traveled through the strata preceding it.

►While the monologue is explaining the idea here during the meditation, keep your mind concentrated on your hand regardless of whether you remember the presentation or not.

►Do not worry if your hand fails to rise during exercise, for the hand-raising is only a preliminary indication to measure the success of the concentration. Just a mild, tingling, prickly sensation in your hand is all that is needed.

►The meditation exercise leads you back to your inner self.

►Failure to do the exercise constitutes choosing the old ways again. (pp. 42-45.

►Simply have the awareness of the middle of your forehead, of your mind's eye. Just observe as though you were looking through the middle of your forehead, the place where thoughts arise, and then see if you can locate where your hand is rising up toward the middle of your forehead. See if you can draw your am up to at the middle of your forehead, energizing your am through being very aware of it.

►... It may begin to feel warm or detached, but just keep being aware of your hand and remain aware of it through the middle of your forehead. (II The meditation exercise)

►Bear in mind that the hand-raising feature of the meditation exercises is only a means to an end. The process of imagery is designed to inaugurate a chain reaction of responses touched off by conscious awareness. When your hand begins to rise, it is evidence of an energy value originating within you. But once you discover that by concentration through the middle of your forehead you can affect bodily responses, then imagery is no longer necessary. (The object of meditation)

► Just being aware of the patterns of light and color that you see in your mind, and projecting them into the tingling of your hands, is all that is necessary....The patterns of light are etheric “computer” data that replace the lying imagination and its excuse-making proclivities. They effect every cell and nerve fiber in your being. They are the reverse of light waves of environmental pressure that affect your body adversely. As they reverse the negative effects of pressure, they impart an intelligent pattern of enfoldment. (How Your Mind Can Keep You Well, The object of meditation)

Your response will likely be that we misunderstand him, seeing as you relegate us to being unenlightened, but the facts are in and Masters own words reveal that he is indeed preaching, as Paul told the Corinthian,another Jesus, whom we have not preached,” and “another spirit, which ye have not received,” and “another gospel, which ye have not accepted,” but instead were born again as unworthy contrite sinners by repentant faith in the risen Son of God to save us on His expense and credit, and thus, unlike those misled by false apostles, we do not “well bear with him.”

627 posted on 09/30/2012 1:34:45 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: fabian; daniel1212
Sorry but you are going by second and third hand references as though you had the books yourself referring to actual pages. Check back with me when you actually have one of his books.

Well here's your chance, fabian! I already suggested that you could easily dispute ANY of the false references you claim are being made concerning Roy's writings. You DO have the books, right? I mean anyone who is as devoted as you seem to be to the man and his theology HAS to have the most popular books he puts out, shouldn't you? Rather than impugn Daniel1212 of misquoting Masters' books, take the few minutes of your time right now and give us the REAL scoop on what he says. Go ahead...prove Daniel1212 wrong. All we can conclude if you fail to do this is that he is right and you are woefully ill-informed of what you say you believe in. I'll let the readers decide.

629 posted on 09/30/2012 1:45:38 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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