[daniel1212]

That the Holy Spirit cannot dwell in believers with a fallen nature is manifestly contrary to Scripture. The writers of holy writ had the Holy Spirit in them, (1Pt. 1:11) and which included David, (2Sam. 23:2) but they had a fallen nature. And as shown before, (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2931985/posts?page=384#384) ans see my lat post above, believers in the NT were already born again, such as the Galatians and Corinthians believers, but the same had a sinful nature and were in sinful spiritual declension. "And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. " (Galatians 4:6) "Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? " (Galatians 5:7) "This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? " (Galatians 3:2-3) "And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. " (1 Corinthians 6:11) "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? " (1 Corinthians 6:19) "And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? " (1 Corinthians 3:1-3) "For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. " (1 Corinthians 11:30-32) And because they could yield to their sinful nature, thus they were exhorted not to grieve the Holy Spirit, (Eph. 4:30) and confession of sin and continual cleansing thereby was provided. "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. " (1 John 1:7-9) This is NOT speaking about sins forgiven when one becomes born again, but is a promise that includes them, and speaks of continual cleansing upon confession - "if we confess" - not when we confessed. To deny that we have no sin or have not sinned, we are in deception. Note that sin is the transgreesion of God's law, and requires loving God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength (Lk. 10.27 without fail 24/7, even by ignorance, (Lv. 4) - Roberston: If we confess (ean homologōmen). Third-class condition again with ean and present active subjunctive of homologeō, “if we keep on confessing.” Confession of sin to God and to one another (Jam_5:16) is urged throughout the N.T. from John the Baptist (Mar_1:5) on. Secondly, are you a follower of Masters? See http://www.theworldviewcenter.org/encyclopedia_foundationforhumanunderstanding.html and http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2931985/posts?page=194#194

[daniel1212]

Sorry for not seeing what must be a piece of html in that last post to you as i did not use the Preview. Here it is corrected.

That the Holy Spirit cannot dwell in believers with a fallen nature is manifestly contrary to Scripture. The writers of holy writ had the Holy Spirit in them, (1Pt. 1:11) and which included David, (2Sam. 23:2) but they had a fallen nature. And as shown before, and above, believers in the NT were already born again, such as the Galatians and Corinthians believers, but the same had a sinful nature and were in sinful spiritual declension.

"And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. " (Galatians 4:6)

"Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? " (Galatians 5:7)

"This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? " (Galatians 3:2-3)

"And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. " (1 Corinthians 6:11)

"What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? " (1 Corinthians 6:19)

"And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? " (1 Corinthians 3:1-3)

"For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. " (1 Corinthians 11:30-32)

And because they could yield to their sinful nature, thus they were exhorted not to grieve the Holy Spirit, (Eph. 4:30) and confession of sin and continual cleansing thereby was provided:"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. " (1 John 1:7-9)

This is NOT speaking about sins forgiven when one becomes born again, but is a promise that includes them, and speaks of continual cleansing upon confession - "if we confess" - not when we confessed. To always deny that we have no sin or have not sinned, means we are in deception.

Note that sin is the transgreesion of God's law, and requires loving God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength (Lk. 10.27 without fail 24/7, even by ignorance, (Lv. 4) - Roberston: If we confess (ean homologōmen). Third-class condition again with ean and present active subjunctive of homologeō, “if we keep on confessing.” Confession of sin to God and to one another (Jam_5:16) is urged throughout the N.T. from John the Baptist (Mar_1:5) on.

Secondly, are you a follower of Masters? See here and here