[boatbums]

ooops...it is not a sin to make an error. Honestly, your arguments have descended into ridiculous and I choice not to follow.

You have missed the point, fabian. An "error" - any error - demonstrates imperfection. Romans 3:23, says "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." Sin - the English word for the Greek hamartanÅ, means:

1) to be without a share in
2) to miss the mark
3) to err, be mistaken
4) to miss or wander from the path of uprightness and honour, to do or go wrong
5) to wander from the law of God, violate God's law, sin

To "come short" of the perfection of God, is the Greek word hystereō and it means:

1) behind

a) to come late or too tardily

1) to be left behind in the race and so fail to reach the goal, to fall short of the end
2) metaph. fail to become a partaker, fall back from

b) to be inferior in power, influence and rank

1) of the person: to be inferior to

c) to fail, be wanting
d) to be in want of, lack

2) to suffer want, to be devoid of, to lack (be inferior) in excellence, worth

All humans have sinned, so my argument isn't ridiculous at all. I am gently trying to help you to see that you have a sin problem - even now in your presumed sinless state. I'm simply asking you what you do about that. Will you at least admit that you HAVE sinned in your life? Don't feel embarrassed, we ALL have sinned, all except for Jesus, that is, and that is because he is God in the flesh.

Jesus did not come to earth and figure out how to be sinless so he could go to heaven and be our example. He specifically came to earth to be our sacrifice for ALL sins and his blood was shed in propitiation for sin. That fancy word means "payment in full". We can go to heaven because of what Christ did for us, not because we practice a meditation exercise. So far, you have not been following ANY arguments. Why not start now?

[fabian]

You are rigid and stiff and do not know what you are talking about. Sin is pride and anger, not spilling milk. All sin descends from pride. Once pride and it’s accompanying annoyance and judgments...all addiction are an expression of those root sins. You also have learned your salvation and do not really know God yet. Good luck wit that!

[fabian]

“All humans have sinned, so my argument isn’t ridiculous at all.”
Of course they have but that was never my stance! I was a big sinner. And I have provided many passages which show that if we are born again, we no longer sin. What you guys have done with Jesus is created an affirmative action salvation where one can keep on being a sinner and still receive the beauty of heaven. Now there is a process of purification towards ultimate salvation, but to go and say you have the whole pie when you don’t is a deception. Just be honest and say that you are on the road towards that salvation and God loves that and I am sure there are many people in heaven whose lives were cut short, especially military people, who were on the right path and were saved.
I don’t know about this knowing your heart stuff. I never judge anyone and know people can always awaken, but you do have a rigidness about you and you make that clear with your definition of sin. Not sinning does not mean we are perfect as all of eternity is like a school for us. It just means we are perfect in not resenting and judging anyone. All sins do indeed come from pride. Once we are in God’s army, we have no need to feel special and put anyone down, we only want to stand up for right and help people come to that same place.