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To: daniel1212

you make no sense there...God does not serve his father! Good lord, you have lost your common sense man.


197 posted on 09/20/2012 7:38:47 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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you make no sense there...God does not serve his father! Good lord, you have lost your common sense man.

It is you who do not have the sense to judge according to how God defines Himself, which is not only as being the Father.

Thus even in the beginning, God said, "Let US make man in OUR image, after our likeness," (Gn. 1:26) and God created man in His image, not the image of men and angels or created beings.

Cf. Gn. 11:6,7: "And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let US go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. "

Nor is anything created ever shown as engaging in creative activity "ex nihilo," rather "Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; " (Isaiah 44:24)

And the Holy Spirit applies to Christ, Ps. 102:25: "Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands." (Heb. 1:10) and declares Him to be God, thru whom alll things were made. (Jn. 1:1-3; Col. 1:16)

And John reveals that the Lord whom Isiah saw in His glory when He uttered His prophecy (and which Lord said "who will go for US" was indeed the Lord Jesus. (Jn. 12:34-46; Is. 6:1-10)

Thus the affirmation of Thomas to Christ, "My Lord and my God." (Jn. 20:28)

"And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. " (1 John 5:20)

"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; " (Titus 2:13)

"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. " (Revelation 1:7-8)

That the Father, Son and Spirit constitute the one True God is not a belief that began in the 3rd century, which my next post shall address as regards history, but was a NT belief, and by denying the Deity of Christ you actually force Scripture to contradict itself, and have less discernment than the Jews who rightly understood the import of His statements.

"Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. " (John 5:18)

WORD PICTURES IN THE NEW TESTAMENT by Archibald Thomas Robertson:

But also called God his own Father (alla kai patera idion elege ton theon). “His own” (idion) in a sense not true of others. That is precisely what Jesus meant by “My Father.” See Rom_8:32 for ho idios huios, “his own Son.”

Making himself equal with God (ison heauton poiōn tōi theōi). Isos is an old common adjective (in papyri also) and means equal. In Phi_2:6 Paul calls the Pre-incarnate Christ isa theōi, “equal to God” (plural isa, attributes of God).

"I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM ["he" is not in the Greek, nor in the text below], ye shall die in your sins. " (John 8:24)

"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. " (John 8:58-59)

"Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I AM. " (John 13:13)

"As soon then as he had said unto them, I AM, they went backward, and fell to the ground. " (John 18:6)

"And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. " (Exodus 3:13-14)

There are many more texts which teach the Deity of Christ, which is what your types avoid: (http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/DEITYofCHRIST.html)

220 posted on 09/21/2012 6:38:36 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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