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And yet God the Father has given His Son all that the Father hath. If that is tue, then the Son has all power, all glory, all knowledge, etc., just like the Father and is indeed on of the Godhead. A God himself. Christ, at the instruction of the Father, created the earth, and as Jehova He spoke with and was worshipped by the Old Testament Prophets, who prophesied of His coming. He told the Pharisees, "I am that, I Am." Meaning the same "I Am" who spoke with Abraham. But...always acting on behalf of, and at the express will of the Father. There is no misinterpretation here...simply a clear testament of who Christ was, and what He represented to mankind, And He told us all, in Matthew that we should, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect." Which is His and Their goal for us. It is the full spectrum of waht atonement opened up to us. Cleansing us of sin so that we might return to their presence. Life eternal with the Father, with the ultimate aim, as Paul indicated in Romans that we, like Christ might be, "Heirs, heirs of God, and Joint heirs with Christ...". For, said he, "I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that shall be revealed in us." So, Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior, Son of the Father, and part of the Godhead. And their desire for us, as Christ pointed out, is for us to become like Him...that we may be one, even as they are one.

God serves no one?

Really?

You assume one who is superior does not serve one who is inferior, yet Jesus said this:

Luke 12:37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.

Further, you know that Jesus washed his disciples feet, an act of servitude so low Peter at first refused it. This is the great mystery of God’s nature that is hiding in plain sight in the life of Christ. Do you remember what Jesus said when Philip asked him, “Show us the Father?” He said:

Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

What can that mean? Both Trinitarians and non-Trinitarians agree that Jesus and the Father are not the same person. What can this mean then? I can think of nothing more reasonable that that Jesus means that the true nature of God is revealed to us in the person of Jesus, the only human ever to actually have that uncreated, eternal divine nature. (cf. John 1:1-3). And what is the nature of God we see in Jesus? The purest love, the most transcendent holiness, the ultimate power over created reality, the power to heal both body and soul and raise the dead back into life.

And what is the nature of divine love? Is it to lord it over weaker beings? Or do we have a better insight here:

1Cor 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, [5] Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; [6] Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; [7] Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

No, the greatest mistake one can make about the nature of God is to miss the fact that He is love, that in being love itself, by nature he does not seek His own, that in calling us to worship him, he is calling us to emulate the servant’s heart he demonstrated for us in the person of Jesus, not to seek his own benefit, but to benefit us:

Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:[7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: [8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

When you have seen Jesus serving us, loving us unto death itself, you have truly seen the Father’s heart.

Peace,

Okay, Fabian, you have been playing defense for the last few days, why not take the opportunity to shine for Roy Masters as his follower and help us understand his philosophy behind denying the deity of Jesus Christ. I have asked you a few times on this thread to explain why this doctrine is so critical to the Masters method and you have not yet done so.

We already know why Mormonism denies the deity of Jesus Christ - because it doesn't fit in with their doctrine about the Father God once being a man and who is now exalted and Jesus being his first begotten spirit child. They teach that ALL men may attain the same godhood as long as they follow all the Mormon precepts and rules. Having an everlasting, almighty, uncreated, eternal God and Jesus being the incarnation of Almighty God blows their idea to bits. This is why they rewrote the Bible so that it conforms to what their "prophets" teach.

So, as I asked you before, why does this doctrine matter so much to the success or failure of Masters' process? Does he also hold to a semblance of the Mormon beliefs about Jesus and our ultimate goals and destination? Can a person follow Roy Masters and remain a traditional Christian in the main tenets of the faith as they have always been believed or must they discard some of those tenets in order to prevail, and why? I'm not trying to trap you, just offering an opportunity for you to explain why such faith is a "big mistake".