Posted on 09/16/2012 11:52:44 AM PDT by fabian
Just more judgement...I look at Roy as my equal, not my leader. And it is church type of intellectual bible is the entire truth that have dropped the ball and not embraced this man that has added to our faith in a simple and prfound silent prayer that has and is helping many many people to have life to their faith and deal patiently with life. All you your type can do is wrongly accuse him of being weird and new age. The church still serves a good purpose for some, but has severly fallen down on the job.
Just more judgement...I look at Roy as my equal, not my leader. And it is church type of intellectual bible is the entire truth that have dropped the ball and not embraced this man that has added to our faith in a simple and prfound silent prayer that has and is helping many many people to have life to their faith and deal patiently with life. All you your type can do is wrongly accuse him of being weird and new age. The church still serves a good purpose for some, but has severly fallen down on the job.
The fhu.com says quite a lot actually and the cd’s and downloads are very affordable. Also, I have provided the link to the radio stations so people can hear Roy unvarnished from your types who falsly accuse him Youtube also has reems of recent and vintage stuff. Enjoy!
The fhu.com says quite a lot actually and the cd’s and downloads are very affordable. Also, I have provided the link to the radio stations so people can hear Roy unvarnished from your types who falsly accuse him Youtube also has reems of recent and vintage stuff. Enjoy!
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That’s it? Is that your best shot? Pretty weak... : )
You are simply condemning yourself by continually slandering those who expose Masters based upon his own documented material, some of which you also deny as being his work.
This behavior of denial of proof indicates that this is what Masters' teaching fosters and thus it impugns the very thing you though to defend.
In addition, while you denied that "Occasionally you will feel suspended in space, as if your body had melted into the universe and become "one" with all nature" was a quote by Master from "How Your Mind Can Keep You Well” (as well as other quotes) because it was not from www.fhu.org, and thus you required me to have a physical book, well, it turns out that that his site has it this book a pdf file (www.fhu.com/books/mind_well/HowYourMind.pdf). And indeed it has those quotes, and thus he must be offering fabrications himself.
You are a liar because Roy is nothing like new age.
Regardless of what you want to call it, this is not the teaching of Scripture, as seen by te many quotes from that book and more (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2931985/posts?page=569#569) regardless of what the voice in your head may tell you through the medium of Masters meditation.
The below teaching is all in the pdf file. And this even has page numbers (but which i did not check yet):
►The evidence of a Higher Presence in meditation is a change in breathing. 233 (p. 31)
►Cold shivers, occasional perspiration, and labored or heavy breathing reveal contact-response to a higher consciousness. It means something has been added that is causing changes to occur. (p. 40)
►The meditation causes chemical changes within the body as poisons are expelled. You may experience a cold that lingers as poisonous substances are ejected. You may notice a change in bowel habits and other bodily functions.
►You will receive a mild feeling of stimulation, almost like that provided by a shot of brandy.
►At times you may feel as though you were wearing a tight skullcap on your head. You may feel your face tightening up as the lax muscles contract...
► Occasionally you will feel suspended in space, as if your body had melted into the universe and become "one" with all nature. . . . You will find yourself expressing wisdom and knowledge that you never outwardly learned or heard before. (pp. 40-41)
►Sometimes you will hear, quite distinctly, words "spoken" to you in short phrases. Do not be alarmed. (p. 42)
►Each new stratum of consciousness is entered only when we have successfully traveled through the strata preceding it.
►While the monologue is explaining the idea here during the meditation, keep your mind concentrated on your hand regardless of whether you remember the presentation or not.
►Do not worry if your hand fails to rise during exercise, for the hand-raising is only a preliminary indication to measure the success of the concentration. Just a mild, tingling, prickly sensation in your hand is all that is needed.
►The meditation exercise leads you back to your inner self.
►Failure to do the exercise constitutes choosing the old ways again. (pp. 42-45.
►Simply have the awareness of the middle of your forehead, of your mind's eye. Just observe as though you were looking through the middle of your forehead, the place where thoughts arise, and then see if you can locate where your hand is rising up toward the middle of your forehead. See if you can draw your am up to at the middle of your forehead, energizing your am through being very aware of it.
►... It may begin to feel warm or detached, but just keep being aware of your hand and remain aware of it through the middle of your forehead. (II The meditation exercise)
►Bear in mind that the hand-raising feature of the meditation exercises is only a means to an end. The process of imagery is designed to inaugurate a chain reaction of responses touched off by conscious awareness. When your hand begins to rise, it is evidence of an energy value originating within you. But once you discover that by concentration through the middle of your forehead you can affect bodily responses, then imagery is no longer necessary. (The object of meditation)
► Just being aware of the patterns of light and color that you see in your mind, and projecting them into the tingling of your hands, is all that is necessary....The patterns of light are etheric “computer” data that replace the lying imagination and its excuse-making proclivities. They effect every cell and nerve fiber in your being. They are the reverse of light waves of environmental pressure that affect your body adversely. As they reverse the negative effects of pressure, they impart an intelligent pattern of enfoldment. (How Your Mind Can Keep You Well, The object of meditation)
Your response will likely be that we misunderstand him, seeing as you relegate us to being unenlightened, but the facts are in and Masters own words reveal that he is indeed preaching, as Paul told the Corinthian, “another Jesus, whom we have not preached,” and “another spirit, which ye have not received,” and “another gospel, which ye have not accepted,” but instead were born again as unworthy contrite sinners by repentant faith in the risen Son of God to save us on His expense and credit, and thus, unlike those misled by false apostles, we do not “well bear with him.”
Thus even when some of his own words indict him, they must be denied and the those who slandered document it are slander. Thus that which Masters does is not something you should want.
Well here's your chance, fabian! I already suggested that you could easily dispute ANY of the false references you claim are being made concerning Roy's writings. You DO have the books, right? I mean anyone who is as devoted as you seem to be to the man and his theology HAS to have the most popular books he puts out, shouldn't you? Rather than impugn Daniel1212 of misquoting Masters' books, take the few minutes of your time right now and give us the REAL scoop on what he says. Go ahead...prove Daniel1212 wrong. All we can conclude if you fail to do this is that he is right and you are woefully ill-informed of what you say you believe in. I'll let the readers decide.
You need to reference the actual book...however most of those quote do indeed. Sounds accurate and make good sense. And when Roy was speaking about voices..those are the demonic which actuallu do talk to people. You should know that...and there is a multitude of teaching and good things that are not in the bible..so what! That is a ridiculous arguement and demostarive of your fixation and root base of faith in a written book. A good book indeed but onlt a representation of some great people of faith.
Although there are details that Roy speaks of that is not in the bible, there also is zero about him that is opposed to the biblical principles. And this is why you are indeed a liar and a character assasin. All that Roy puts forth is OBVIOUSLY. Commonsense and helping so so many people. Instead of being gracious and conceding that, you simple continue to villify him as some cultish new age guy. Well, all I can say is good luck because you need it. I know you have not real freedom...only learn salvation...not authentic or you would easily see the kind and very decent nature being expressed by Roy. Have a good one!
You need to reference the actual book...however most of those quote do indeed. Sounds accurate and make good sense. And when Roy was speaking about voices..those are the demonic which actuallu do talk to people. You should know that...and there is a multitude of teaching and good things that are not in the bible..so what! That is a ridiculous arguement and demostarive of your fixation and root base of faith in a written book. A good book indeed but onlt a representation of some great people of faith.
Although there are details that Roy speaks of that is not in the bible, there also is zero about him that is opposed to the biblical principles. And this is why you are indeed a liar and a character assasin. All that Roy puts forth is OBVIOUSLY. Commonsense and helping so so many people. Instead of being gracious and conceding that, you simple continue to villify him as some cultish new age guy. Well, all I can say is good luck because you need it. I know you have not real freedom...only learn salvation...not authentic or you would easily see the kind and very decent nature being expressed by Roy. Have a good one!
And see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2931985/posts?page=627#627. Sorry i forgot to ping you to it.
And here is what the REAL world thinks of it:
Just wait!
Too bad. The Word appears NOT to be your god.
The actual book has been clearly referenced. You just need to paste it into the address bar on your browser and lot thru it. Choose search and search texts in the quotes and you will find them. And all, not some, are there, including the one you relegated to being new age and others which you denied, but being documented you must now affirm them. .
And when Roy was speaking about voices..those are the demonic
No, the reference i gave about words being spoken, that "Sometimes you will hear, quite distinctly, words "spoken" to you in short phrases. Do not be alarmed, (p. 42) is not of demons, at least according to Masters, so after judging previous words to be new age now you judge these to be of demons. But which is more accurate.
Although there are details that Roy speaks of that is not in the bible, there also is zero about him that is opposed to the biblical principles. And this is why you are indeed a liar and a character assasin.
Rather, your basis for judgment is your own esoteric "understanding" which needs not allow anything to contradict it, while i have abudantly done so here, which others can freely now see.
see the kind and very decent nature being expressed by Roy.>
This is certainly not what you have exampled, even in response to documented proof and careful exegesis, and your unreasonable demands for physical books, etc., and implacable response, and overall desperate attempts to defend Masters, to the point where you deny documented statements as being by him, and still calling one who supplies them a liars, that even being contrary to forum rules, which you express disregard for, continues to be an argument against Masters no matter how much you promote him as you seem driven to do. And which has resulted in him being increasingly exposed for what he is.
No, actually THIS is my best, the truth you seem to regard as "weakness"...but if it simply went right over your head, I'll pitch it again:
Fabian, if you were operating in the power of the Holy Spirit, your arguments wouldn’t sound like the ramblings of a habitual “spice” smoker.
Fabian, if you were operating in the power of the Holy Spirit, you would know that what I just said is not bashing you... I actually know people who are habitual spice smokers who cannot string two coherent sentences together to express a logical thought; if you were operating in the power of the Holy Spirit, you would know that I’m speaking with the spirit of truth, not just using words to win an argument.
Fabian, if you were operating in the power of the Holy Spirit, you would discern that the euphoric feeling of being an eclectic member of a chosen few in possession of a secret knowledge is insulating you from the realities of your spiritual struggle and the day to day life going on around you, and that this has affectively neutered you from being a positive influence to anyone in this world. You have become like a panhandler in the street trying to sell a book on his secrets to financial success.
Fabian, if you were operating in the power of the Holy Spirit, you would awaken to the fact that whenever you discuss in your disconnected, short circuited aimless rants the tenets of your spiritual practices, you may be operating under the illusion that you are a prophet on the mountain speaking to the unbelievers, but in reality, you are advertising a reality show, about a man who’s hooked on a spiritual hallucinogen and the intervention that people at FR are holding in his behalf.
Fabian, if you were operating in the power of the Holy Spirit, your wisdom would be apparent in the first paragraph, like the taste of a savory dish that makes people want more... instead of throwing them snowshovel fulls of rancid, maggot-ridden meat and looking like a madman when you tell them that this is the true food. The poison you eat which has put you in a stupor on the side of the road of life, you’re now encouraging on others whose spiritual walk is passing you by. You want them to eat corruption when they have wholesome food of their own, food which is brought life to people and brought them out of the land of death, which is not only given them life, but life beyond life. You want people to give up that life, to not trust what they smell, or what they see, or what they hear in your corrupted offerings, they should just eat, and experience the same spiritual euphoria and release from life’s problems that you experience.
Fabian, if you were operating the power of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit would be telling you that people see in you, and in your conversations, and in the workings of your mind, the results of the path you have taken, and they are repelled by it. You are a weak man who, dreaming of divinity, lay down like a dying dog on his own dunghill, rather than standing up on your own two legs and becoming strong.
Fabian, if you were truly operating in the Holy Spirit, you would have the gift of discerning of spirits, and see that the majority of people here are not coming to you in anger or blind opposition, but in pity and concern. You remind me of a talk show on anorexics, where 70 pound girls try to convince people how healthy they are and how they are eating buckets of good food... but every reasonable eye in the audience can see they are dying.
Fabian, there is nothing wrong with meditation, I myself practice Zen meditation, I’ve been to the Shasta Abbey, I also practice chakra meditation and find it helpful with dealing with many of the distractions and obstacles of the world and of the flesh...but these practices do not lead one to a relationship with God, and worshiping such practices and tools as a source of the divine, can cause such practice to backfire, and lead to madness.
Meditation’s purpose is to empty yourself of foolishness and illusion, not as a path to divinity. In fact, in Zen monasteries, if a monk tells the Zen master, “while meditating I saw a vision of the Buddha!” the reply always is, “well, keep meditating until he goes away.” Meditation’s purpose is to empty oneself of illusion and to confront the reality of existence... that all that is impermanent is untruth or illusion, that only truth is permanent, and that truth cannot be perceived by mortal means. That is why perceiving the truth of God only comes about by super normal, supernatural means, by the love of a supernatural God who sacrificed Himself to Himself to create a doorway between our life and his, a door no man could open except the Son of Man who was the Son of God.
If you were at all acquainted with the Holy Spirit fabian, you would realize the power of that statement supersedes the power of your self induced, self worshipping spiritual euphoria. Consider the words of the Buddha on his deathbed, when finally confronted by the face of his Maker: “All that I have done, all that I have taught, all that I have discovered, is nothing.” Siddhartha was called the “Buddha”, the “Enlightened One”, because he selflessly dedicated his life to finding a practice in a lifestyle that would take people past the world’s transitory illusions of desire, pain and fleshly existence... And he called this state nirvana...but the state of nirvana, by his own words, was as nothing when confronted by the Holy Spirit and power of his God. Buddha, finally confronted by the truth of God, was not arrogant, was not all knowing, he was submissive, he was as a child that knows that he knows nothing. Or, as a Zen master would say, no cup is filled that does not first become empty.
A cup must be come empty before it can be filled, but beware that with which you fill it. Fabian, you are not filled with the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 12
31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. 33 “Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. 34 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of. 35 A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. 36 But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. 37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.” 38 Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.” 39 He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41 The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now something greater than Jonah is here. 42 The Queen of the South will rise at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for she came from the ends of the earth to listen to Solomon’s wisdom, and now something greater than Solomon is here. 43 “When an impure spirit comes out of a person, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. 44 Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order. 45 Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that person is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation.”
Roy clearly teaches the truth that voices are NOT The way God communicates. You simply are incorrect about that quote and if you had the book yourself rather than relying on other sources you would see that. Really you are ridiculous and rather dishonest as all that I have written is clearly available on youtube.
You believe as you wish. God bless...Fabian
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