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To: varmintman; Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
"....Yet another hadrosaur has been described by UK scientists as "absolutely gobsmacking."8 Its tissues were "extremely well preserved" and contained "soft-tissue replacement structures and associated organic compounds."9...."

Just a tip: don't rely on Brian Thomas for your scientific facts. For example, in that story, he says "soft, squishy tissues have been discovered inside fossilized dinosaur bones." No, they haven't. They may be soft (in the sense of flexible), but they're nothing like "squishy." And the story he quotes doesn't say the tissues were well preserved, it says the dinosaur was well preserved, which could just mean the bones were mostly intact. And what was "gobsmacking" was that "You're looking at cell-like structures." "Cell-like structures"--does that sound like soft tissue to you?

It should also be mentioned that the very tiny tissue fragments appear to resemble collagen rather than “red juicy squishy meat”; that may or may not be even be dinosaur tissues (to date no DNA has been found that could confirm or refute) and could be modern biofilms that recently invaded the fossilized bone as some scientists believe and which have already been confirmed are found in some fossilized bone, were extracted from deep inside fossilized bone after being soaked in acids. It is not, contrary to what young earth creationists like Brian Thomas claim or attempt to infer by quote mining and distorting actual scientific papers, as if the dinosaur fossils were dug up with red meat still clinging to the bones as if they had died just last week or a few thousand years ago.

And it should also be noted that Dr. Mary Schweitzer who first made the claim that she had found remnants of dinosaur tissues after having dissolved fossilized bones in acids, herself being an evangelical Christian, is not a young earth creationist and believes that the dinos lived and went extinct some 65 million years ago not in the last couple of thousand years ago. She’s horrified that some Christians accuse her of hiding the true meaning of her data. “They treat you really bad,” she says. “They twist your words and they manipulate your data.”

Thomas is a propagandist and, yes, an anti-science charlatan. I call him that not because he disagrees with me, but because even though he has (or claims to have) a science degree, he distorts facts and quote mines to intentionally give people the wrong impression.

BTW - Brian Thomas does have a BS in Biology 1989-1993 and an MS in Biotechnology 1997-1999 from Stephen F. Austin State University Nacogdoches, Texas, (a real Texas state school although a school that specializes in being a teacher’s college and agricultural school and what would be basically on par with a community college), but seems to have spent his pre and post grad career after obtaining a Texas State Teaching License in Secondary Biology from the Creation Research Graduate School, Dallas, Texas, in 1994, teaching at a various small Christian primary and secondary schools such as spending one year as a 7th Grade Teacher at the small Angelina Christian School, Lufkin, Texas and teaching at Dallas Baptist University, a school who’s Mission Statement in biology states: “The biology program at Dallas Baptist University is designed to produce knowledgeable individuals who have an understanding of the basic biological tenets of God's creation. The academic information is presented in a Christian context to enhance the students' ability to become responsible, caring citizens in society.” From 2008 on his full time job has been writing blogs and distorting the findings of real scientists for the Institute for Creation Research.

Citing Brian Thomas as a “boneified” and unbiased expert in paleontology and in advanced biology and field research (and one should also note that with his CC teaching degree and experience as a school teacher in Biology, he also claims to be an expert in the fields of Astronomy, Physics and Geology in his ICR blog posts) is akin to citing Paul Krugman and the NYT as an unbiased expert in the workings of free market economies. ; ),

106 posted on 05/28/2012 4:50:34 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: MD Expat in PA; Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
They've found proteins in some of the trex remains and those proteins are all but identical to those found in chickens, i.e. the trex was basically a big chicken with sharp teeth. Nobody has come up with an explanation as to how trex remains in Montana were "contaminated" by chickens...

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/health/12iht-web0412-dino.5261850.html

110 posted on 05/28/2012 6:20:52 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: MD Expat in PA
BBC take on the hadrasaur with intact skin cells (non ICR source):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8124098.stm

" You slice through this and you're looking at the cell structure of dinosaur skin. That is absolutely gobsmacking..."

Phil Manning, University of Manchester

This was all over the news when it happened, I simply posted the first reference which turned up yesterday. A Google search on 'hadrosaur' and 'skin cells' will turn up no shortage of articles, including no shortage of articles which do not involve evangelical Christians for the benefit of those here who view anything which Christians ever touch as fatally contaminated/tainted. I personally view anything which evolosers touch as tainted, but that's just me...

111 posted on 05/28/2012 6:29:29 AM PDT by varmintman
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