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To: 1010RD

Yes your argument is weak and disingenious. Mine is based on the very sources YOU posted including Strongs who use the term window or noonday sun and make NO REFERENCE WHAT SO EVER to magic glowing rocks.

Oh except the Indiana Jones Fan site...

Fiction lovers pushing fiction. Ripe for Mormon “conversion”...

Do you really want to keep this up I really have no need to have my point proven over and over...


89 posted on 05/12/2012 7:23:26 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22
In your desperate anti-Mormon state you're over looking the truth. As a Christian you cannot be an enemy to the truth, lest you serve the wrong master.

This is my last comment on the matter:

http://bible.cc/genesis/6-16.htm

Clarke's Commentary on the Bible

A window shalt thou make - What this was cannot be absolutely ascertained. The original word צהר tsohar signifies clear or bright; the Septuagint translate it by επωυναγων, "collecting, thou shalt make the ark," which plainly shows they did not understand the word as signifying any kind of window or light. Symmacbus translates it διαφανες, a transparency; and Aquila, μεσημβρινον, the noon. Jonathan ben Uzziel supposes that it was a precious luminous stone which Noah, by Divine command, brought from the river Pison. It is probably a word which should be taken in a collective sense, signifying apertures for air and light.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

A window shalt thou make to the ark,.... Or a "light", such as is that at noon, for which the word in the dual number is used; and therefore Junius and Tremellius translate it a "clear light". The Jewish writers (s) will have it to be a precious stone, a pearl which Noah fetched from the river Pison, and hung up in the ark, and it gave light to all the creatures, like a large chandelier; but a window no doubt it was to let light into the several apartments, and to look out at on occasion, since Noah is afterwards said to open it; but what it was made of is difficult to say, since it does not appear that as yet glass was invented. Some think it was made of crystal, which would let in light, and keep off the water.

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None of the above are LDS sites. All list something very much like the Jaredite stones as a possible interpretation. This information isn't readily available to the average Christian because this isn't taught. So today with our modern information technology perhaps a handful of Christian scholars are aware of the real meaning of tsohar. Likely 0% of Christian scholars were aware of it in Joseph Smith's time and he certainly wasn't.

Hence the argument for a divine source for the Jaredite story, given the consistent parallels with the Noah story.

Also, keep in mind the following:

1. "to make" http://concordances.org/hebrew/6213.htm clearly means that one must do something - action on the part of Noah.

2. The Ark interior isn't an open space like an indoor gymnasium or sports arena. Its construction includes clear direction to make "rooms/nests/apartments" and therefore a single window wouldn't suffice for lighting.

So with a semblance of intellectual honesty, not to mention Christian honesty, one can very logically and reasonably conclude that the Jaredite story isn't unBiblical. The opposite is true: it is wholly Biblical.

93 posted on 05/12/2012 11:55:30 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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