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To: DiogenesLamp
At this time, Ann was supposed to be seeing Barack, yet there she is, naked in Davis' house.

Here you are again, with the either/or assumption.

The evidence points to the fact that she and Obama Sr. did hook up.

That doesn't mean she wasn't also doing Davis.

And it may well be that when Obama Sr. found out she had been doing Davis, that at that point he decided he wanted nothing more to do with her.

Think about this: It may well have been DAVIS himself who told Obama Sr. that Davis had been doing Stanley Ann.

Given Obama Sr.'s air of superiority, he may well have given off the impression that as a Luo African, he was superior to the run-of-the-mill American blacks descended from slaves.

Perhaps Davis wanted to put the conceited African in his place.

I am not saying that Obama Sr was "too much of a gentleman" to play the role that you imagine for him.

I am saying your story that this successful, ambitious, self-superior African student who was looking forward to becoming Dr. Obama and returning to Kenya as a leader would be the type of person who would be slipped a few bills in order to legally pretend to be the father of a local girl's baby is absurd.

The fact that he earned some extra money in a pineapple plant doesn't make your story any less ridiculous.

That doesn't make him into some bum whom some locals could make into "signing some documents" claiming to be the father of someone he knew he wasn't the father of.

For someone who was on his way to an elite academic career followed by an elite government career in his home country, this notion that Obama would agree to hold the bag for some local family's teenager problem is just nonsense.

That the notorious playboy Obama recklessly and unintentionally got someone pregnant, or believed he did, IS in fact believable and consistent with everything known about him.

You are just making assumptions about how you THINK he will behave

Talk about making assumptions!! Here you are spinning some fantasy about how a guy who viewed himself as an elite student in Hawaii for only a short time as a university student on the way to an elite career back in his home country would nevertheless consciously and intentionally become permanently involved in the problems of some local family by legally pretending to be the father of their child. It's nonsense.

What evidence?

He married her in early 1961. Are you claiming he did NOT marry her?

While before all of the immigration documents and the divorce documents came out, I can understand people saying there was never a marriage at all, whether with full paperwork or something less.

But after the immigration documents were revealed, unless you are saying the references to the marriage are all faked, they did consider themselves married.

And the evidence points to Stanley Ann being in love with and maybe even obsessed with the guy. We know this from the way she raised little Barry to worship the ground he walked on.

So according to your theory, Stanley Ann was in love with the guy and they considered themselves married, yet we should discard the possibility that he might actually be the father of their child, or at least that he believed he was the father of their child?

That's simply irrational.

I recall reading that he wanted to stay in the country permanently.

I have read quite a bit about this and have never seen anything to support this in EARLY 1961. Whether at a later point in time he wanted to stay and make his home here permanently is not relevant to what we are debating.

He didn't give a crap about the baby. He didn't give a crap about Stanley Ann either.

That is certainly true by August 1961. But that was necessarily true in February 1961 or in November 1960.

104 posted on 04/26/2012 3:06:35 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Meet the New Boss

meant to write at the end of that post: “But that was NOT necessarily true in February 1961 or in November 1960.”


105 posted on 04/26/2012 3:10:03 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Meet the New Boss

I think we are quibbling over trivialities. At this point I am open to the idea that either man could be the father, though I regard the evidence as favoring Davis.


163 posted on 04/27/2012 5:42:16 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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