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To: dewawi

I imagine it doesn’t matter, but there are several false statements in the affidavit.

For example, it says Zimmerman was talking about Martin when he said “these *ssholes, they always get away”. Clearly he was talking about the others — Martin was one person, not multiple people. He also supposedly used the plural “punks”, again indicating he wasn’t specifically talking about Martin.

A better example, it says “he falsely assumed was going to commit a crime” — but the investigator has no way of knowing whether Trayvon was going to commit a crime or not, nor did anything Zimmerman say indicate he assumed a crime was going to be committed. Further, given that Trayvon beat Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had not shot Trayvon and the police had arrived, it is likely Trayvon would have been arrested and charged with a crime, so maybe it wasn’t false at all.

They also mischaracterized what the dispatcher told Zimmerman. Further, according to other sources, after the dispatcher told him not to follow Martin, he didn’t, and instead walked to the street to wait for the police, before walking back toward his truck (I guess that’s one of those things that we’ll have to see what the sworn testimony says).

Later, it says “Martin attempted to run home but was followed by zimmerman”. That almost certainly is false — Zimmerman was not in very good shape, and Trayvon was. Trayvon was only 100 yards from where he was living — that’s 20 seconds max of running. And the shooting was minutes after the dispatcher started, so if Trayvon ran home, he’d make it in plenty of time.

It is more likely that Trayvon turned around and went back to confront Zimmerman. It’s the only rational way Zimmerman would have caught up to Trayvon.

And since they know Zimmernan received treatment, they know the two had an altercation.

It is also annoying but not I guess “false” to give the 3rd-hand statement that trayvon’s mother “says” it sounds like him, and ignore that an eyewitness claims he saw Zimmerman on the ground and screaming. I would guess though that the burden is very low for this type of proceeding.


9 posted on 04/12/2012 6:40:13 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
For example, it says Zimmerman was talking about Martin when he said “these *ssholes, they always get away”. Clearly he was talking about the others — Martin was one person, not multiple people. He also supposedly used the plural “punks”, again indicating he wasn’t specifically talking about Martin.

A better example, it says “he falsely assumed was going to commit a crime” — but the investigator has no way of knowing whether Trayvon was going to commit a crime or not, nor did anything Zimmerman say indicate he assumed a crime was going to be committed. Further, given that Trayvon beat Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had not shot Trayvon and the police had arrived, it is likely Trayvon would have been arrested and charged with a crime, so maybe it wasn’t false at all.

They had to allege something like this to support the depraved mind element of second degree murder.

I am sure that the Justice Department is trying to concoct some cockamanie theory of Zimmerman as a deputized state actor due to his past course of dealings with the police as neighborhood watch captain in order to bring a federal civil rights case against him and the city of Sanford.

The far left would love to make it a federal thought-crime to "profile" by thinking suspicious thoughts of a black person. There is nothing one should put past these tyrants.

15 posted on 04/12/2012 6:50:14 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: CharlesWayneCT

>> “I would guess though that the burden is very low for this type of proceeding.” <<

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Its Florida man! - Remember Terri Schiavo?

Their high school proficiency test is a tiddlywinks game.


24 posted on 04/12/2012 7:13:21 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

[[“he falsely assumed was going to commit a crime]]

‘FALSELY’ means that he intentionally intended to decieve- George may have been mistaken, however, being mistaken, and intending to decieve are two wholly different things- it’s NOT a crime to mistakenly assume someoen may be up to no good- and the law has NO business arresting george because he might have been mistaken abotu someone

[[nor did anything Zimmerman say indicate he assumed a crime was going to be committed.]]

to be fair, he did tell the dispatcher trayvon ‘looked suspicious’ or ‘acted suspiciously’ or somethign to that effect- however, again, it is NOT a crime to follow someone who is acting suspiciously even if it is your intention to try to stop someone from doign somethign illegal- the blakc comuinity has lost sight of htis basic fact, and have convicted george simply bbecause george had the temerity to follow someone who looked and acted suspiciously in a neighborhood that had been known to have crime

[[“Martin attempted to run home but was followed by zimmerman”.]]

That is complete bull shit, and I hope zimmerman’s lawyer sues whoever made that false accusation, although even if zimmerman does win lawsuits agaisnt false arrest, it will all be taken from him when the martins sue him now that he has beren charged-

Every charge brought against Zimmerman was false- especially the secodn degree charges- which indicated zimmerman had a ‘depraved mind’ and ‘callous indifference toward the life of another’. None of the conditions necessary for a charge of second degree murder were met by zimmerman nor the actiosn in the case- Zimmerman has been falsely imprisoned- last I knew it was agaisnt hte law to falsely imprison someone


50 posted on 04/12/2012 8:06:24 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

All very good points.

I am curious about the alleged phone call with the girl friend. In the affidavit, Martin’s actions and feelings about what was happening are described based on this alleged call. Now I’m assuming there is some verification of a call having been made (although I’ve not read about it). Have you read if Zimmerman ever mentions that Martin is on his phone when Zimmerman is talking to the 911 operator?

I have not seen that Zimmerman makes any note of that. Have you?


66 posted on 04/12/2012 8:46:54 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Later, it says “Martin attempted to run home but was followed by zimmerman”. That almost certainly is false — Zimmerman was not in very good shape, and Trayvon was. Trayvon was only 100 yards from where he was living — that’s 20 seconds max of running. And the shooting was minutes after the dispatcher started, so if Trayvon ran home, he’d make it in plenty of time.

The affidavit didn't even say how they knew Martin attempted to run home. Was this what the person/friend of Martin said who was not even present or a witness?

Is this a joke?

86 posted on 04/12/2012 10:40:28 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
A better example, it says “he falsely assumed was going to commit a crime” — but the investigator has no way of knowing whether Trayvon was going to commit a crime or not, nor did anything Zimmerman say indicate he assumed a crime was going to be committed.

People need to realize two things, though, in addressing the second point. Zimmerman talked with the police for several hours after the shooting. There are stories that he also called Angela Corey directly before he was ever charged, which is one of the reasons his first attorneys quit.

We have no idea what additional little details Zimmerman told the police, or Corey and investigators, that aren't in the 911 calls. That's hours of interviews versus minutes on the 911 calls.

So while there's no way for the State Attorney's office to swear that Martin was not going to commit a crime - they may have been told by Zimmerman that he thought Martin was going to commit a crime.

Given how sloppy and how clearly the charging affidavit was written to tell only one, factually challenged side of the rest of the story, note that I'm only offering up something for people to note about the length of Zimmerman's other, unknown conversations.

101 posted on 04/13/2012 5:12:13 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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