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To: Yosemitest; DiogenesLamp

The Timetable website is cool. I love those old documents.

I never actually took money into account because Obama Sr. seemed to be able to fly to the US in the first place. So there was some source of funds.

Now as to the COC, the one issued was not necessarily issued in Kenya, but somewhere the rest of Africa (other Africa). That’s a lot of territory. The Table breaks Africa down to Libya, Morocco, South Africa, Egypt and Other. So the first thing that needs to be shown is that the COC was in fact issued in Kenya.

Have you seen the Ken Allen’s FOIA document dump?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/59560239/FOIA-Release-Records-Relating-to-Barry-Soetoro-Stanley-Ann-Dunham-Barack-Obama-Sr-Lolo-Soetoro-Department-of-Homeland-Security

There are a number of documents that say the Obama Sr. last date of entry into the United States was in 1959 (page 8, Date, Place , and Manner of Last Entry into the United States; 8/9/59 - NYC - Student) and on page 10 the date is listed as 8/9/60. But there are no other documents that have later entry dates.

On page 35 is the William Wood II handwritten memo dated 8/31/1961;

Memo 8/31/61
Obama, Barack H. A11938537
Claims to intend to attend Univ. Hawaii for at least one more year to gain Bach Arts Degree in Economics.
U.S.C. spouse to go to Wash State University next semester. When finished school here plans to go to mainland school for a Doctor Degree in Econmoics – after that to return to Kenya. They have one child born Honolulu on 8/4/1961 – Barack Obama II, child living with mother (she lives with parents & subject resides at 1482 Alencastre St.).
William J. Wood II
Discussed with D.D.D & D.D – no reason to deny ext.
W.W.

And on page 40 is the memo from Lyle Dahlin:

“Mrs. McCabe, University of Hawaii, Foreign Student advisor, called on 4/10/61 and reported that BARACK H. OBAMA, astudent at the University since 1959 was married on February 2, 1961 to Stanley Ann Dunham, a United States citizen from Seattle, Washington in Maui, Hawaii. The problem is that when he arrived in the U.S. the subject had a wife in Kenya.”

IIRC, someone reported that Obama Sr. attended a summer class in 1961.


167 posted on 03/25/2012 11:41:24 AM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: 4Zoltan
I never actually took money into account because Obama Sr. seemed to be able to fly to the US in the first place. So there was some source of funds.

My understanding is that he and many other African Students were airlifted (paid for by the US Government) as part of a program to help Africa and put some good will credit in the bank regarding America. He didn't pay for it himself.

Now as to the COC, the one issued was not necessarily issued in Kenya, but somewhere the rest of Africa (other Africa). That’s a lot of territory. The Table breaks Africa down to Libya, Morocco, South Africa, Egypt and Other. So the first thing that needs to be shown is that the COC was in fact issued in Kenya.

Yes.

Have you seen the Ken Allen’s FOIA document dump?

Yes I have. It is a wonderful repository of documents that have helped to clear up some confusion on the issue. (Also to generate a little more on some aspects.)

There are a number of documents that say the Obama Sr. last date of entry into the United States was in 1959 (page 8, Date, Place , and Manner of Last Entry into the United States; 8/9/59 - NYC - Student) and on page 10 the date is listed as 8/9/60. But there are no other documents that have later entry dates.

And this is a VERY GOOD point. I have always insisted that if Barack Sr. didn't go, then Stanly Ann certainly didn't go. It is NONSENSICAL to believe that Stanley Ann would have gone by herself. Period. You're pointing out that Barack Sr's documents demonstrate that he didn't come back into the United States during 1961, effectively proves that he didn't LEAVE the United States in 1961. That is a SERIOUS blow to the "born in Kenya" theory. Likely a Fatal one in my opinion. No doubt some will suggest the documents have been altered to cover up his return trip in 1961. :)

On page 35 is the William Wood II handwritten memo dated 8/31/1961;.....And on page 40 is the memo from Lyle Dahlin:

Yes, this is evidence that whether they were married in Hawaii in some legal fashion, they certainly TOLD other people they were married.

IIRC, someone reported that Obama Sr. attended a summer class in 1961.

It ought to show up in his college transcript. I recall reading a Newspaper article which said he was working at a Pineapple cannery in the summer of 1961, but I suppose he could have taken a night course or something.

169 posted on 03/26/2012 6:24:42 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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