[DiogenesLamp]

Are you sill trying to pass off that Obama hack, Don Wilkie, as a legitimate news reporter? You can't be serious.

His arguments make sense. Arguments to the contrary do not. He basis his arguments on the available evidence, while arguments to the contrary are based on (sometimes far fetched) speculation.

If you take issue with his article, argue against the points he has presented, don't attack him and his motives.

With just a minimum of research, anyone can find out that he's only wrote two articles in the "American Thinker", both of them heavily defending the Kenyan Turd.

I don't have any familiarity with his other article, (I will go check it out.) but I don't regard his argument that the available facts don't support a Kenyan birth as "defending the Kenyan Turd."

His theories have less proof, than I do. No, he's not credible. I respect the American Thinker, but Don Wilkie only has two articles there.

What does THAT prove? William Lolli has only ONE article there, and it is a D@MN good one!

I have looked at the other article; "The Case Against Barack Obama, Sr." How do you get this as being a DEFENSE of Obama? If anything, he's pointing out that everything we've been told about Barack Obama Sr being the daddy is a LIE!

Attacking the Author of articles you don't like won't disprove his points. You need to attack his points directly.

I suspect Mr. Don Wilkie is noting but an Obama enabler, apologist, and his political operative. The ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIEF has forged ...yes, I said FORGED, as in FRAUD, FALSE, ...he has FORGED not one, not two, BUT THREE FAKE BIRTH CERTIFICATES. And Don Wilkie wants to cite those FORGERIES for proof?

You are unfamiliar with my writing. I believe that long form birth certificate which Obama has released WAS CREATED by the state of Hawaii, and as such it represents what has been put INTO Obama's legal record. Yes, it's a forgery, but it is a LEGAL FORGERY created by the State of Hawaii under the order of a Judge. It is (I believe) a replacement birth certificate which was created for an adopted child. ( or otherwise a nullification of a previous adoption.)

If this theory is correct, then that document represents what the State of Hawaii regards as the legal truth, though it may not be the "actual truth."

DiogenesLamp, you're destroying your own credibility, constantly promoting the Democrat hack, Don Wilkie, and exposing yourself as one who can't be trusted.

You are not going to brow beat me into accepting the Kenyan birth theory by threatening not to "trust" me. You don't have to trust me. You can think whatever you want about me.

If you want me to accept the Kenyan birth theory, show me why this theory is correct, and other theories are wrong. At this point, all I see in support of the Kenyan birth theory is speculation, nothing tangible. Indeed, the tangible evidence makes the Kenyan birth theory look very unlikely in my opinion.

I am not closing the door on it, just saying it needs evidentiary support before it can be taken seriously.

[Yosemitest]

"His [Don Wilkie] arguments make sense. "

Only to the gullible. You can't trust a single word Obama says, without hard proof.
The route of THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIEF was given in post #34.

" Here's something to ponder.


I think it more likely that the trip from Kenya actually occurred in August 1961, shortly after BHO-II's birth at the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa.

Ann and her newborn son flew from Nairobi to London, via BOAC Flight BA162 and then took the non-stop BOAC flight from London to Vancouver, Canada. She then traveled the 110 miles or so, across the border, to Seattle in time to start Fall Semester, night-school extension classes at the University of Washington.

The trip would be challenging for a new mother, but she was young, healthy, intelligent, and capable. BOAC was very accomodating to mothers with young children back in the 1960s. No real problem!
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Are you supporting the theory that Barack Hussein Obama's grandmother, Sarah Hussein Obama, didn't know where she was, when she saw the birth of Barack Hussein Obama II?
Do you think the Kenyan Ambassador is a liar?
There's no need for me to restate the witnesses' testimony given in post #34.
There's Barack Hussein Obama II admitting he was Kenyan-born on Sunday, June 27, 2004, to the AP in the 2004 Senate Race.

Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.

[Yosemitest]

Here's more information on Obama's Kenyan birth.

AP declared Obama “Kenyan-Born”
John Charlton
The Post & Email
October 16, 2009

What most people know is that the Associated Press (AP) is one of the largest, internationally recognized, syndicated news services. What most people don’t know that is in 2004, the AP was a “birther” news organization.

How so? Because in a syndicated report, published Sunday, June 27, 2004, by the Kenyan Standard Times, and which was, as of this report, available at
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm .

The AP reporter stated the following:
Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.

This report explains the context of the oft cited debate, between Obama and Keyes in the following Fall, in which Keyes faulted Obama for not being a “natural born citizen”
, and in which Obama, by his quick retort,
“So what? I am running for Illinois Senator, not the presidency”,
self-admitted that he was not eligible for the office.
Seeing that an AP reporter is too professional to submit a story which was not based on confirmed sources
(ostensibly the Obama campaign in this case),
the inference seems inescapable:
Obama himself was putting out in 2004, that he was born in Kenya.

The difficulty in finding this gem of a story is hampered by Google, which is running flak for Obama:
because if you search for “Kenyan-born US Senate” you wont find it,
but if you search for the phrase without quotes you will find links which talk about it.

For those who believe what they see, here is the screen capture of the page from the Kenyan Sunday Standard,
electronic edition, of June 27, 2004 — Just in case that page is scrubbed from the Web Archive:



Readers should take note that this AP story, was syndicated world-wide, so you should be able to find it in major newspapers, archived in libraries world-wide.
If any reader does this, please let The Post & Email know, so that we can publish a follow up-story.
You can scrub the net, but scrubbing libraries world-wide is not so easy.

[efoods] Hanen of Sentinel Blog Radio broke the public news of the existence of this AP story at on October 14, 2009 at 12:31 pm.
However, The Post & Email can confirm that a professional investigator had uncovered this story months ago,
and that certified and authenticated copies of this report, meeting Federal Rules of evidence,
have already been prepared and archived at many locations nationwide.

It should be noted that on January 8, 2006, the Honolulu Advertiser also reported that Barack Hussein Obama was born outside the United States.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Jan/08/ln/FP601080334.html

A Chronology of Deceit

One can now ask an important question which has not yet been emphasized enough:
“Just when did Obama begin to publically claim he was born in Hawaii?”
This question is distinct from the question,
“Just where in fact was Obama born?”,
and from the other question,
“What do official documents say about where he was born?”

Regarding his claims, we can summarize what is known:

1. As of Monday, Aug. 28, 2006, Obama’s Campaign was putting out that he was born in Hawaii.
This is known from the introductory speech given by Prof. George A. O. Magoha, Vice-Chancellor of the University of Nairobi, on the occasion of a speech given there by Senator Obama that day.
(One presumes that the Vice-Chancellor was given notes from the Obama campaign, as is customary on such occasions)

2. From the newspaper reports above, it is clear that the Obama campaign was putting out that he was born in Kenya, or overseas,
during the period of June 27, 2004, until January 8, 2006.

3. In October of 2004, during the ABC Chicago Affiliate’s broadcast of the Obama-Keyes debates,
Obama openly admitted — he conceded — that he was not a natural born citizen.
(C-Span aired the uncut version of the debates, which contained this exchange, in the second half of April, 2005)

4. It is known from a classmate of Obama at Harvard University, that while at Harvard,
Obama at least on one occasion admitted that he was born in Kenya.
(This friend went on record on a call in radio program in Idaho in early July, 2009)

Yes Obama is ILLEGAL, as well as UNCONSTITUTIONALLY QUALIFIED.
There were 8 attempts by Democrats to try to "Change the Qualification Rules" BEFORE Obama was elected.
They KNOW Obama's ILLEGAL ... AND .... UNQUALIFIED!

[Yosemitest]

Here's one more piece of evidence, found from Kenyan Lawmaker: Obama Born In Kenya.

A Kenyan lawmaker has flatly stated in his parliament that US President Barack Obama was born in Africa and is therefore “not even native American.”

James Orengo, who is Kenyan minister of lands and a parliamentarian for the Ugenya constituency, made the statement during a floor debate about drafting a new constitution for the country.

“If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation,” Orengo argued, “how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the president of America?”

Orengo said the US is no longer “living in the past” since Americans elected a Kenyan-born president without regard to “ethnic consideration and objectives.”


The statements can be found in the Kenyan government’s official March 25, 2010, hansard – a traditional name for printed transcripts of a parliamentary debate – and shows that no other MPs mentioned or tried to correct Orengo’s comments about Obama.

Here's a copy of the Kenyan government’s official NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OFFICIAL REPORT, Thursday, 25th March, 2010.
In it, you on page 29 dated Thursday, 25th March, 2010(P). 1/3 of the way down from the top of page, you'll find speaking The Minister for Lands (Mr. Orengo):. Then skip down to page 31, the 2nd paragraph and on line 7 you'll find

If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation,
how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the President of America?
It is because they did away with exclusion.

Do you think Kenyan minister and parliamentarian James Orengo is a liar, also?