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Pastor's daughter dies from injuries suffered in accidental church shooting
ABC News ^ | February 18, 2012 | Jennifer Moore

Posted on 02/18/2012 1:45:45 PM PST by exhaustguy

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1 posted on 02/18/2012 1:45:46 PM PST by exhaustguy
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Zambrana had removed the gun's magazine and was in the process of telling the two young men about firearm safety when the gun went off.

Just like that.

2 posted on 02/18/2012 1:49:07 PM PST by ClearCase_guy ("And the public gets what the public wants" -- The Jam)
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What a moron.

My wife’s new Ruger LC9 has a magazine safety built in. If the magazine is removed it won’t fire even with a round in the chamber. It’s idiots like this guy that forced them to design this feature.


3 posted on 02/18/2012 1:53:11 PM PST by 2111USMC (Not a hard man to track. Leaves dead men wherever he goes.)
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Sounds like he was clearing the chamber and it fired. What are the odds?


4 posted on 02/18/2012 1:54:55 PM PST by traderrob6
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A magazine safety is probably a good idea, but you’d never want to count on it.


5 posted on 02/18/2012 1:56:02 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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Until it’s cleared it would be wise to treat the gun like it’s not cleared — point it in a safe direction like down.


6 posted on 02/18/2012 1:57:16 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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Nope. Rule # 1: Every gun is loaded.


7 posted on 02/18/2012 1:58:14 PM PST by 2111USMC (Not a hard man to track. Leaves dead men wherever he goes.)
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Isn’t it the cardinal rule that when one is clearing a chamber especially when it’s status is unknown that a weapon should ALWAYS be pointed at the ground.


8 posted on 02/18/2012 1:59:50 PM PST by traderrob6
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Looking at a firearm in church ? Looks to me like neither the firearm owner or either of the respective young buyers have any business owning a firearm. According to the news article the gun went off. Correction, was it was fired. Thats what happens when you pull the trigger with a round in the chamber.

Concealed carry permit holder surely at least had a firearms safety class right ?

Poor girl and her family.


9 posted on 02/18/2012 2:00:57 PM PST by Newbomb Turk (Hey Newbomb, Where's your brothers El Camino ?)
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“My wife’s new Ruger LC9 has a magazine safety built in. If the magazine is removed it won’t fire even with a round in the chamber. It’s idiots like this guy that forced them to design this feature.”
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Brilliant feature. I hope it catches on.


10 posted on 02/18/2012 2:01:36 PM PST by elvis-lives
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Get out of my mind, you answered my question before it was asked.


11 posted on 02/18/2012 2:02:22 PM PST by traderrob6
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First, prayers up for the family. To lose a child is horrific.

Second, the rules: Don't point a weapon at anything you don't want destroyed, and don't put your finger in the trigger guard until it's time to shoot.

Parents, teach your children in the way that they should go, and they will not depart from it.

/johnny

12 posted on 02/18/2012 2:04:08 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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This man will never get over what he did.

Not intentionally, but negligently, killing his own daughter.

His life is in utter ruin.

What about the rest of the family?

She’s dead, he’s her killer and a basket case.

May God have mercy on them...


13 posted on 02/18/2012 2:04:29 PM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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Of course I’m not sure where in the church this happened, or if there was another occupyable/occupied floor (basement) beneath. Up (not in anybody’s face of course) might be a safer direction than down depending on such parameters.


14 posted on 02/18/2012 2:06:46 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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“Not intentionally, but negligently, killing his own daughter”

The pastor didn’t kill his own daughter. Reread the article


15 posted on 02/18/2012 2:10:21 PM PST by jimmyo57
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To: txrangerette

This is almost like getting struck by lightning. There was a little bit that could have been done to head it off, like having lesson 1 be that the gun is to be treated as loaded until proved otherwise, and removing the magazine is not enough to prove that. What’s perhaps almost as unfortunate is that all anti gun nuts will be jumping on this tragic bumble from now till doomsday, and so somebody will end up getting scared out of carrying self defense that he or she will need, and will get accosted and hurt or killed by someone whom the gun would have warded off.


16 posted on 02/18/2012 2:12:23 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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2111USMC said: "Nope. Rule # 1: Every gun is loaded."

I think better phrasing is, "Treat every gun as if it's loaded".

The statement, "Every gun is loaded" is false. The problem is that one can never be sure and that it is better to be safe than sorry. We don't want people to think that their knowledge of the state of the gun can override the rule.

17 posted on 02/18/2012 2:15:00 PM PST by William Tell
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“What a moron.

My wife’s new Ruger LC9 has a magazine safety built in. If the magazine is removed it won’t fire even with a round in the chamber. It’s idiots like this guy that forced them to design this feature.”

Almost 20 years ago I had an accidental discharge with a S & W 40 that had a lever safety and a magazine safety. The magazine was removed and the lever safety were on as I tried to remove a soft nosed round hung up on the edge of the chamber. It missed my thigh and blew out a glass panel on my sliding glass doors. I sheepishly took it back to the gun shop and suffered the humiliation of relating my story in front of the owner and 4-5 hangers-on. When the laughter died each and every veteran gun owner related a story of their own accidental discharge in a somber tone.

BTW Smith and Wesson contacted me and bought the two year old gun back for exactly what I paid for it.


18 posted on 02/18/2012 2:17:45 PM PST by Cyman
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Not sure what floor, but he was showing it off in a storage closet. And from earlier articles I don’t think it was the pastor that had the gun - but obviously whoever it was will have a hard time dealing with it.

Just last weekend there was a shooting near me. Guy at a party put his gun in the safe ‘cuz he knew he would be drinking. Midway through the party he showed it off to his buddies - keeping the magazine in the safe. After showing it off put it between the bed mattress. And later still showed it off again, and pointed it at a wall and pulled the trigger to show them it was “empty”.

Same thing - hit a 20 year old girl in the head on the other side of the wall. Killed her. All because of an “empty” gun.

He was a legal concealed carry, but still an idiot.


19 posted on 02/18/2012 2:21:22 PM PST by 21twelve
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RIP.


20 posted on 02/18/2012 2:26:23 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj
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