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To: emax

The problem is not mass internment camps, which is truly a “straw man” argument.

The problem is that the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists (AUFA) part of the NDAA clearly states that the president and an indeterminate number of subordinates can, without *any* probably cause, indictment, arrest or conviction, detain anyone *indefinitely* on a whimsical basis.

Notice I did not use the word “terrorist” other than in the name of AUFA. And this is the problem.

With the Patriot Act, many “antiterrorism” laws and regulations were expressly *intended* to be only for use against terrorists and their supporters. However, today they are used almost exclusively, or in some cases, exclusively, against Americans for non-terrorism related reasons, and in some cases, for no reason at all, but almost in a random manner.

The AUFA gives the congressional seal of approval on this.

As such, it is an unconstitutional and illegal law. Even Abraham Lincoln’s suspension of Habeus Corpus during the Civil War was clearly temporary, and even then it was whittled down for being an improper and unconstitutional action.

Is America seriously facing a crisis threat from Islamists as bad as the US Civil War? Even if they managed to obtain some dirty non-fission nuclear or chemical weapon, they could not possibly cause a fraction of the destruction and death caused by the Civil War.

So why has America descended into legal depths not seen during our wars, hot or cold? Must we surrender everything it means to be as Americans just so our government can go beyond authoritarianism into totalitarianism?


26 posted on 12/29/2011 3:29:38 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: emax; Old Sarge

here, also:

“Washington, DC – FBI Agent Larry Grathwohl stated that Weather Underground terrorist and violent criminal Bill Ayers was planning on murdering 25 million American citizens, with the help of his cohorts.

In the 1982 documentary No Place To Hide, the law enforcement official detailed how he spent numerous time undercover in the dangerous communist group, acting as a “courier” between the leadership and the footsoldiers.

Agent Grathwohl documented how the psychotic communist Bill Ayers was ready and willing to murder 25 million American citizens in order to overthrow the constitutional republic of the United States and institute a communist dictatorship.

Grathwohl also stated that Ayers’ wife Bernadine Dohrn, Mark Rudd, Linda Evans, Jeff Jones, and many others were also ready and willing to kill innocent American citizens in order to become leaders of the new communist dictatorship.”

http://www.thecomingattack.com/fbi-agent-bill-ayers-was-planning-to-murder-25-million-americans/


33 posted on 12/29/2011 4:26:21 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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