Posted on 12/17/2011 12:14:45 PM PST by ckilmer
My one problem with Newt is his idea of allowing people who have lived 25 years in the country to remain and to set that decision in the hands of local officials.
Why?
Consider.
That stand almost immediately got praise from both clinton and schumer.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2011/nov/27/picket-schumer-and-bill-clinton-plant-kisses-death/
Soon after, the LA Times ran a story that said 60% of illegals have been in the USA for 10 years or more. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/12/60-percent-illegal-immigrants-report.html
Why would partisan democrats praise newt’s idea. Why would the LA Times run the story that 60% of illegals have been in the country have been in the country for 10 years or more.
Because they would see clearly how Newt's plan could be gamed--just like Ronald Reagan 1986 amnesty was gamed.
In a conservative county most of the illegals would be pushed out because the 25 year rule would be strictly adhered to -- but in a county where most people speak spanish and 40% of the population is illegal — nobody will be deported. The LA Times suggests that they might draw the line at 10 years. But that's not the way it would work in practice. In high illegal counties soon enough people who have just stepped over the border would be allowed through. There won’t be anything the feds or the state can do because they locals will be the ultimate arbiter. What’s more these counties will become gateway counties into the country from other countries and they will attract illegals forced out of other parts of the country. Once legalized they could move on.
The result will be that florida and texas especially will rapidly shift over to the democratic column. That’s the big prize the democrats are counting on that will shut the republicans out of presidential politics and the direction of the country.
That’s why the most partisan democrats Schumer and Clinton had high praise for Newt’s idea.
My opinion?
Newt nominated = Obama reelected
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Bachmann supported the same plan on Sept 7th yet people give her a free pass.
HARRIS: A quick 30-second rebuttal on the specific question. The fence is built, the border is under control. What do you do with 11.5 million people who are here without documents and with U.S.- born children?
BACHMANN: Well, that’s right. And again, it is sequential, and it depends upon where they live, how long they have been here, if they have a criminal record. All of those things have to be taken into place.
“”Newt nominated = Obama reelected”
I respectfully but strongly disagree with you.
Oh well - there goes 2012! We’re doomed, we don’t have chance and all we can expect is “4 more years!”
I think that Newt can win the nomination and win in the general. But his immigration plan is a long term poison pill for the pubbies.
By the time it all takes effect, Newt's presidency will be on the lecture circuit or honeymooning with wife #5.
Of all the candidates, I trust Newt LEAST.
Please. Newt Gingrich isn’t a Warmist: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7VUg7nG3lw
Newt knew that before he said it..
He has been dealing with democrats for many years..
And knows how policies actually shake out..
BUT; then Newt didn’t invent “the System”.. he adjusted to it..
Newt is the best of the NON Constitutional candidates..
Ron Paul, is, of course, the ONLY Constitutional candidate..
I put it too YAH.. you want to follow the Constitution?.. OR NOT?..
Newt like the Democrats want the Constitution “ADJUSTED”.. just in different ways..
Because new immigrant citizens have voted 80% for the Democratic Party in the last five Congressional elections.
So far, Conservatives have been lucky.
New immigrant citizens have a very low voter participation rate.
When new citizens begin to vote at the same rate as Conservatives, the Democratic Party will take permanent control of both Houses of Congress.
The 25 year minimum will be cut to 10, mark my words. Those who were here illegally 25 years ago were already amnestied in 1986.
Also, in case anyone is under any illusion that Newt and Pelosi are “good friends,” you might want to listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACek8xwMpJs
Not necessarily. Newt is well aware of the mistakes of the past. There are ways to prevent that from taking place.
Those who can't can drive their pickup trucks!
There are sufficient buses to move the others over a couple of months without stressing the availability of buses.
I figured out that I could FLY all of them home to wherever they'd come with just the surplus passenger capacity ordinarily found in our commercial air fleet over a 6 month period of time.
NO ONE is talking about having them walk back to Mexico in the hot broiling Sun in June.
The use of the term "humane" is inappropriate.
It is impossible to reliably verify how long illegals have been here. Acorn guided document fraud would be massive. Courts and admin can define what docs are enough.
Citizen boards can grant amnesty to anyone, in liberal areas. Acorn intimidation for board members expected too.
Why should we kick out h1b visa holders after max 6 years since many have lived here over 10 years as student or worker.
Why illegals are preferred over legals?
Many things about what Newt will do as president will be the death of conservatives if they come out in droves to support him. Conservatives will receive the final judgment of not being a party that represents anything different than any other party.
I admit that the hour is late now for this country in that it cannot stand more of what is happening right now with the anti-American leftist’s in control. But lets face it. Newt is not much better. It is too bad that conservatives did not stick to their guns many years ago, and refuse to support anyone who was not a real conservative because at this point the American people might have been willing to try a real conservative for president. As it is they already think they tried one with GW bush. If they actually try Newt then it will be even worse.
Sadly, I doubt that when that times comes, that we will be able to gather here and talk about it.
I believe that the leftists are gleeful about this Gingrich surge. I believe they are laying low on purpose. I believe they are waiting for republicans to choose him. And as soon as you do then the media attacks are going to start running like water over Niagara Falls. I believe that is what Queen Nancy was referring to the other day.
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As I understand, very few people would qualify for Newt’s plan.
Newt has a particular genius for zeroing in on the root causes of problems. He also has the ability to make opponent’s positions look un-reasonable in comparison.
He’s leader enough to understand you can’t totally have your way. We have had enough of that under our Dictator and Chief.
In the real world if anyone walks away from the negotiating table gleeful someone else will be screwed. Good leadership leaves everyone at least somewhat satisfied and that will just have to be enough.
I have my doubts about Newt and Romney, but I’m surely not going to be dogging either one and give the lefties a single piece of ammo to use on either one.
Anybody think 12 million people are going to be deported?
If not why do you go from there?
He is advocating building the fence to secure the border. That is what can be done at this point.
The same thing would happen in conservative counties as well because the Border Patrol and ICE would be prohibited from deporting or prosecuting any illegal alien falsely claiming residency just like in 1986.
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