Posted on 12/10/2011 11:59:31 AM PST by SeekAndFind
The father of John the Baptiser, is the key to knowing when Mary became pregnant. The time when he was charged with Temple service, can be figured out, Mary came soon to tell her cousin the news that was foretold her about the Messiah. John was already within the womb, and Yeshua was within Mary. Figure out 9 months, and voila’....closer to September for his birth.
I will with the greatest lovingkindness, disagree with Artie.shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Artie seems to only use the works of man; which always fail.I will explain with the help of the WORD of G-d through the
illumination of the Holy Spirit, who was sent to all mankind
to help us come to Know the Holy WORD of G-d.Chanukah is a great time for followers of the Jewish Messiah to celebrate.
The eight day Feast of Chanukah echoes of the eight days of the Feast of Tabernacles
Chanukah was most likely when the "light of the world"
(John 8:12) entered human form and tabernacled among us.
Feast of Tabernacles is the birth day of Yah'shua.
This question is answered when you believe and trust
the Holy Word of Elohim in Luke 1.
Yah'shua's birth on Sukkot
(Sukkot is the Feast of Tabernacles or booths,
where we live in temporary shelters.
Sukkot is when YHvH took on a temporary
garment to be with His People
and to die as the Lamb of G-d on Pesach
in order to bring salvation to all
who would call on His NAME:
(Romans 10:13 & Joel 2:32)
Yah'shua ( YHvH is/be my salvation)).Exod. 15:2; 1 Sam. 2:1; 2 Sam. 22:47;
Ps. 18:2, 46; 27:1; 35:9; 38:22; 88:1;
118:14; 119:174; 140:7; Isa. 12:2; 56:1;
61:10; Mic. 7:7; Hab. 3:18Sukkot as the date is supported by Elizabeth's
pregnancy of John the Immerser.
The time sequence is outlined by the
Holy Word of Elohim in Luke 1 with Zacharias.Zacharias served as a high priest and
based on his tribe, we know when he served
(1 Chronicles 24:7-18) and when he was
struck dumb and when John was conceived.John would have been born on Pesach.
Most Jews believed that Elijah
would come at Pesach to announce
the coming of the Messiah (Malachi 4:5).Factor in when Miriam visited her cousin Elizabeth,
Elizabeth was six months pregnant (Luke 1:26)
Thus the timing of Yah'shua's birth can be ascertained.John (1:14) tells us that Yah'shua was made flesh
and tabernacled among us.The word "dwelt" in the Koine Greek is:
σκηνόω Strong's G4637 - skēnoō
1) to fix one's tabernacle,
have one's tabernacle,
abide (or live) in a tabernacle (or tent),
tabernacle
2) to dwellEight days after the beginning of Sukkot is
another Holy Feast Day called Shemini Atzeret.Eight days after a Jewish male is born he is circumcised.
After the Eighth day comes the the most Joyous day:
Simchat Torah or
the rejoicing in the Torah (The WORD of Elohim).Nine months back from Sukkot is Chanukah
where the light entered the temple.
Seek the YHvH in His WORD.
See Psalm 118
8 It is better to take refuge in YHvH Than to trust in man.9 It is better to take refuge in YHvH Than to trust in princes.
14 YHvH is my strength and song, And He has become my salvation.
Appendix 179 —Companion Bible ,Kregel Publishers—gives about the most reasonable explanation I’ve seen. We ought be teaching it cellebrates when “the Word became flesh” or the
conception. But that would really anger the pro-abortion bunch and all those who insist it was just a gimmick to encourage the pagans to join with the cult of Rome. Appendix 179 Parallel datings of the Times of Our Lord /Dates of the Begetting and the Nativity & c / and the course of abia is worth consideration.
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John, as a kind of Elijah, was likely born on 14, Nisan (Eliyahu does show up for Passover). Sukkot begins 180 days (6 months) later. If John was born on Passover, his cousin Yeshua (”Jesus”) was born during Sukkot - which is almost always late September or early October on the Gregorian calendar.
I once ran an old astro program to follow the movements of Jupiter, Venus, among other significant objects around that time (adjusting for 2,000 years of precession) yielding views from the Middle East. One specific view from Jerusalem in the pre-dawn hours during mid-September of 3 BC corroborates a predicted conjunction of Jupiter with Regulus (the "King Star") in Leo ("The Lion"):
This epoch would coincide with one of the Jewish Holy Day periods when some have postulated that Christ was born.
Now, the exact date of the Nativity is not critical to my faith (that He came, suffered, died, and rose again *is*), but it makes for interesting discussion...
Exactly right, guys. The Bible gives plenty of evidence for when Christ was born. Tabernacles is the only festival that survives into eternity. But there's more to consider.
Consider that Christ's birth at Tabernacles puts His conception at Hannukah. The Festival of Lights. When the Temple was re-dedicated. So also the human temple of the Holy Spirit was 're-dedicated' to God at the conception of Christ. Christ is the Light of the World and was conceived at the Festival of Lights.
Of course the oil which burns for 8 days represents the Holy Spirit-filled person of Christ. 8 is the number of resurrection. Christ was filled with the Holy Spirit at conception for life unto resurrection. He was resurrected on the 8th day.
Lots of neat stuff becomes clear if people would only recognize the obvious. Incredibly, very few people can understand or accept this.
Yes, exactly.
For 3 feasts all of Israel was commanded to come to Jerusalem. Tabernacles (His birth), Passover/FirstFruits (Crucifixion & Resurrection) and Pentecost (Birth of the Church).
Everything God did regarding Christ and the Church, He did in full view of Israel and commanded them to be there to watch it.
Hallelujah!
As others have said, “bookmark” - and thank you!
Hallelu'Yahshalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Yes; that is the key. The Course of Abia, the time of his Temple Service, gives June for Zacharias' encounter in the Temple with Gabriel, telling him his wife, Elizabeth, would conceive.
Then we have John 6 months in the womb in December, giving the date of Jesus' conception.
December 25 becomes the date Jesus began to dwell upon the earth...in Mary's womb.
His birth would them be on or about the Feast of Tabernacles.
The intent of the Syriac author that the McGowan uses to validate the claim by an allegiance of satanists, atheists, pagans and adventists that Christmas is from a pagan holiday probably had a propagandistic purpose. bar Salibi’s ideas were the only evidence found by these pagans to support their “guess” that Christmas spring from Sol Invictus, but bar Salibi is debating the CALENDAR.
The Eastern churches, to which bar Salibi, continued to use the older Julian calendar to date Christmas. The Western church, noting that the days were drifiting from their astronomical significance, switched to the Gregorian calendar. This reliance on Rome put Christmas back on the day of Sol Invictus, which Salibi uses for propagandistic purposes.
But we know from several ancient sources that great prophets were held to have died on the day of their conception, so that their “conception into Heaven” would harmonize with their conception on Earth. The date of Jesus’ conception into Heaven was 200 A.D.
The intent of the Syriac author that the McGowan uses to validate the claim by an allegiance of satanists, atheists, pagans and adventists that Christmas is from a pagan holiday probably had a propagandistic purpose. bar Salibi’s ideas were the only evidence found by these pagans to support their “guess” that Christmas spring from Sol Invictus, but bar Salibi is debating the CALENDAR.
The Eastern churches, to which bar Salibi, continued to use the older Julian calendar to date Christmas. The Western church, noting that the days were drifiting from their astronomical significance, switched to the Gregorian calendar. This reliance on Rome put Christmas back on the day of Sol Invictus, which Salibi uses for propagandistic purposes.
But we know from several ancient sources that great prophets were held to have died on the day of their conception, so that their “conception into Heaven” would harmonize with their conception on Earth. The date of Jesus’ conception into Heaven was 200 A.D.
Further, the feast of the Dedication, when God dwelt among the Jews in His holy Temple, was on 25 Kislev, which, on average occurs near the 25th of December. (It’s the last day of Hannukah.) This date was set more than a century before Christ.
In contrast, In Sol Invictus was a holiday made up in the fourth century in Rome, to revive the Roman cult, which was in decline because of the spread of Christianity; so it’s far more likely that In Sol Invictus was set to Christmas, than the other way around.
So Yeshua would likely be born right around the festival of Sukkot...
Totally agree... It’s great to find other folks on the page!
I have believed for years that Jesus Christ was born at Tabernacles. I do not any attention to the holiday observed on December 25th...if others wish to; that is up to them.
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