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1 posted on 12/07/2011 8:30:51 AM PST by ferrgus
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This brings to mind a story about three little pigs.


2 posted on 12/07/2011 8:36:24 AM PST by CSI007
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3 little pigs.


3 posted on 12/07/2011 8:36:41 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: ferrgus

Build housing with more steel and iron and cement and then use this stuff as insulation.


5 posted on 12/07/2011 8:41:20 AM PST by GraceG
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—The compressed panels are then covered with 100% recycled ...paper—

Recycled paper is environmentally unfriendly. There are a lot of chemical processes that go into the recycling of paper that are absent from the manufacture of “new” paper. And the wood from which paper is created is harvested much as we harvest corn.

Recycling makes a lot of sense sometimes (like old cars and coke cans). Other times, it’s just a way to get a tax credit or government loan.


7 posted on 12/07/2011 8:46:04 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: ferrgus

Sounds like a cheaper version of OSB - oriented strand board.


9 posted on 12/07/2011 8:48:37 AM PST by dainbramaged (I lost my mantra around 1969.)
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I can’t say anything directly to your purpose about strawboard. I will say that some European farms went overboard with their modernizing. I first ran into liquid cow manure being spread on the fields in Germany, and it was decades later before it arrived around here in New England. It is loaded into big tanker trucks and sprayed on the fields. It is generally agreed by purists that it is NOT the best way to fertilize fields, that a lot of the nutrients are lost, and that chemicals are sometimes added.

It is mostly the result of large-scale factory farming, with the manure drained off into lagoons to get it off the concrete barn floors more automatically. The older alternative was to use straw as “bedding” in the stalls or milking parlors. The manure and urine (also a valuable fertilizer) went into the bedding, where the nutrients were far better preserved. Then when the bedding was properly aged, it was forked up and spread back on the fields, which prevented the gradual loss of nutrients over the years.

Straw bedding might be six inches or a foot deep. That retained the value of the fertilizer much better, and also was comfortable for the cows, horses, sheep, etc., to stand or lie on. And the straw itself provided value when it went back into the topsoil.

In other words, I doubt whether converting straw to building materials is the best way to preserve the fertility of pastures.

This use of straw bedding applies mostly to family farms, with fewer than a hundred cows or so. But returning from factory farms to family farms would benefit our country and our land, and perhaps eventually undo the agricultural subsidies, ethanol subsidies, and all the rest of the big government interference and waste that reward big political donors and undermines family farming.


10 posted on 12/07/2011 8:49:07 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Don’t know about which sources are being used, but I think an acre of timber is pretty extreme. Modern construction uses materials in a pretty efficient manner. OSB (orientated Strand Board) is a good example.

That said, I’ve seen ‘cobb’ and straw bale houses that are really solid and well insulated. I’ve been in a couple of structures at least as solid as my pre-WW2 lathe and plaster home which is framed with true 2 inch by 4 inch redwood boards.

Wood has its primary advantage being inexpensive, light in weight to transport and easily modified at the site.


11 posted on 12/07/2011 8:49:16 AM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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I’ve seen it. A compny in Richmond makes it and my BD guy wants to use it to build schools in Africa. It’s pretty cool.


12 posted on 12/07/2011 8:50:38 AM PST by wolfman23601
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I've seen a house that was built using straw bales. They look different and are appealing to the eye, but there are some draw backs as well. If one lives in an area that has high humidity or lots of rain, not a good idea. There is also more difficulties to convince local building code offices that the construction will meet code requirements and safety. Especially, if there hasn't been construction of other straw homes built in that specific area. The cost sometimes is not much cheaper than building a conventional type house. Continued maintenance is needed on straw built homes. The exterior needs to be re-plastered or checked for cracks each year due to structural movement. You constantly need to fend off moisture. The main draw back would be that anyone wanting to build one of these houses would have to educate themselves about construction and be proficient in doing the work themselves. It would be very hard to find a local contractor that is experienced enough or willing to take on the liability of building such a project. In my opinion, anyone who builds a straw bale house should have plenty of time, money, and building experience, or it could become an over whelming project.
If one lives in a dry climate and has the know how, it could be a fun project. By the way, anyone building such a house, might still have to get a mortgage through a lending institution. That itself, could be difficult.
16 posted on 12/07/2011 9:20:03 AM PST by Patrioticdale (" I regret that I have only one life to give for my country" ---- Nathan Hale)
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Are you referring to MDF? That’s been around for over a dozen years that I’ve used it. It’s heavy but great stuff around kids as its straw-based material does not leave any slivers, though it makes a lot of dust in cutting. It’s a bit heavierthan plywood and as it has no “grain”, you simply need to forecast how you want to assemble with it - you drill a hole or screw through it, not really into it, especially not sideways.

It absorbs water and swells like particle board, but polyuretane it and it stays looking “wet” and is perfect for computer tables for the kids (the edges will never give a sliver.

You don’t sand it, but take the fuzzy edge off after cutting by using a rasp or file.

I make things out of wood, like a frame for a computer table, then put the RMD across the top and another across the back for egg-crating.

Great for work benches too.

In Michigan it was much cheaper than plywood (half-inch is very useful) but a few years later (inflation) and in Maryland it is now more expensive than plywood and not as available (could be it’s expensive to ship here or the price has gone up).

Not for exterior. If you make a box with it, just use wood for the four inner posts or triangles to screw into and it’s very strong.

My boys drew outlines of full size M-16’s on a sheet and we cut them out - they loved them! When the tips broke off via bending (not a strong suite), I glued popsicle sticks to either side to hold it together....breaks like particle board but not glue-able at the break due to being like “paper”.

It’s very smooth purchased so no need to sand either side.

I love the stuff for what it’s great for.

Soaks kerosene up like a sponge so makes good torches for back yard play in 1-2 inch wide strips.


17 posted on 12/07/2011 9:22:11 AM PST by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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Some sources say that a typical house requires about an acre's worth of clear-cut timber,...

That would be a mighty big house.

Now, go to where new home is going to built and watch the delivery, then go out into the woods and see how much wood comes out of one acre.

19 posted on 12/07/2011 9:27:29 AM PST by JakeS (This would be a good time to read John chapter three 1-21)
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Bump for later


21 posted on 12/07/2011 9:42:22 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (The democratic party is the greatest cargo cult in history.)
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A solution in search of a problem.


22 posted on 12/07/2011 9:43:03 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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Be sure to look into mud for a foundation says this little piggie…


25 posted on 12/07/2011 11:46:19 AM PST by bksanders (Spewing Forth Vitriol at the Speed of Spit)
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Technically, straw is not a “waste” product. Ideally, it is either shredded and plowed under as-is, to decay and replenish the soil; or is used for bedding for livestock which causes it to become mixed with manure, and is THEN spread back upon the land, plowed under and even further replenishes the soil. Periodical supplemental applications of lime and fertilizer complete the program of soil replenishment and enrichment.


26 posted on 12/07/2011 12:39:02 PM PST by Tucker39
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I used to work for a guy who built a strawboard plant in Whapeton, ND. I used to run a custom cabinet and millwork shop in Wisconsin. We used a lot of the strawboard in lied of particleboard. No formaldehyde used in making of strawboard. Very uniform particles and behaved just like particleboard. It is not OSB nor MDF.


27 posted on 12/07/2011 1:13:04 PM PST by american_ranger
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Thanks ferrgus.


28 posted on 12/09/2011 8:10:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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