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To: Clay Moore

That is not a Spanish Ruby, but a French-contract copy of the Ruby made under license during WWI either in France or Spain, and was one of the primary French sidearms during that conflict. The difference between a Spanish Ruby is the location of the safety near the rear of the frame, versus the Spanish Ruby safety just behind the trigger guard. The pistol was known as “Pistolet Automatique de 7 millim.65 genre “Ruby”. There were dozens of different manufacturers, and without a list of markings there is no way to pin which one made it.


20 posted on 11/30/2011 9:18:56 AM PST by Republican Extremist
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To: Republican Extremist

I saw a bit about the smaller (grip) 7-shot Rubys having the safety moved to the rear. Perhaps that was a French requirement. Anyway, interesting piece in seemingly good condition.


27 posted on 11/30/2011 12:53:50 PM PST by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: Republican Extremist; Claymore
That is not a Spanish Ruby, but a French-contract copy of the Ruby made under license during WWI either in France or Spain, and was one of the primary French sidearms during that conflict.

Concur. Though the Paramount/Premier/Liberty/Ruby pistols were all similar and all used tghe same 9-round magazine [a requirement of the French Army, who had supply problems enough with their hodgepodge assortment of handguns without further complicating matters with different magazine types in the same caliber, it's the safety location that's the giveaway feature of the French-built guns. Mostly.

Back in the 1970s I hit weekend gun shows on my motorcycle, and since space for carrying enough goodies to fill one or two tables was limited aboard the bike, handguns were my usual stock in trade. There were times I had as many as 20- two dozen varieties of *Ruby pistols* displayed for sale, plus magazines, parts and ammo for them and some of the other offerings that had come my way.

They're mostly a pretty good little handgun, though I didn't care much for the lack of an external hammer. Still, if you're going to carry a .32 of the period, it's nice to have one with nine shots abailable, though the Mauser M1914, also a .32, also with nine shots and also hammerless, was a sometime favourite of mine as well.

Among the last military use of the Ruby pistols: there were a few spread amonng the reservists of the British South African Police during military counterinsurgency operations in Rhodesa, circa 1978-1979. The little .32 Ruby pistols were a bit handier for police radio operators and drivers to carry, particularly the female auxiliaries, and didn't *compete* with the military and police 9mm pistols and submachineguns for scarce 9mm Parabellum ammunition.

Spanish M1914 "Liberty" pistol, Caliber .32ACP. Made in Spain in the period 1910 to 1930, these pistols were commonly referred to as "Ruby" pistols.


29 posted on 11/30/2011 6:23:39 PM PST by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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