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To: HiTech RedNeck
"Looking for land to occupy isn’t the same as buying temperamental gadgets from a convicted con man.

If you think that the Lewis and Clark expedition was only about "looking for land to occupy", you're as ignorant of history as you are of LENR. There have been any number of very valid researchers looking into "cold fusion" since Pons and Fleischmann who were most definitely NOT "con men", and could have been legitimately funded. Unfortunately, the "hot physicists" have pretty much had a monopoly on the reins of "who gets funded" and have frozen out pretty much ALL research funding for CF, except for a very few tiny efforts within DARPA.

"And everybody must be DEAF as I said the Tokomak should be private, yes with the disposal of its ultimate waste supervised by authorized public authorities."

I heard you and I disagree with your position that it should "be private". Like it or not, there are times in the development of technologies when the "private market" simply will NOT fund research. "Seed Money" from the gov't has proven, as a pragmatic fact, to benefit society in very practical terms, as witness this conversation we are having and the means by which we are having it.

"Anyhow, it is very easy to boondoggle something that the market would have quickly euthanized, like Solyndra.

"Crony capitalism" like Solyndar is indeed bad, and should be rooted out. OTOH, fostering competition is good, and most well-managed federal R&D funding does precisely that.

To give you a very personal example. My company has been working with the gov't to develop technology to detect biowarfare agents. At the earliest stage, quite a few companies had small "seed funding" contracts. As the different technological approaches were tested, various different technologies proved "non-viable". One of our competitors was from California, and had an "in" with some powerful folks in Washington. Despite the fact that their approach had failed to deliver not just once, but several times, they managed to get themselves back into the process through their "crony capitalism" contacts. In the last stages of the project, it came down the my firm and them. Fortunately for us, they "flopped" again, and our technology is now being implemented (by a private company under federal contract) with us as a subcontractor.

"I do not share your view that largesse should be bestowed upon Rossi boxes."

"Assume"....ASS-U-ME....the "Rossi boxes" at this point don't NEED federal funding. But the overall field of LENR has probably been set back 10 or 15 years due to the lack of "seed funding" during early stages. As I said above...monopolies OF ANY SORT are bad.

95 posted on 11/30/2011 6:58:13 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

You got a vested interest in positions on the issue. Thank you, and whenever you show this vested interest in the future I will not be shy to out you.


102 posted on 11/30/2011 12:02:30 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Wonder Warthog

You got burned with winner and loser picking... you should know better, and it was lady luck that got your gummit contracts where they are. And at least your product is used in defense, one of the few valid constitutional duties of the fedguv. Where would a Rossi box or even a successful Tokamak find a use under any valid constitutional duty of the gummit? Just because the constitution has been flouted virtually from time immemorial is no reason for any thinking conservative not to insist as loudly and forcefully as possible that it be strictly observed again.


103 posted on 11/30/2011 12:09:05 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Wonder Warthog
Jefferson had a long interest in western expansion

... from Wikipedia

We see the vested interest, and it looks like the science part was a feelgood aspect. The US Constitution already provides a method of prospering that, we know it today as intellectual property, or patents and copyrights. That's the only thing that comes even close to a constitutional basis for Jefferson's fig leaf.

104 posted on 11/30/2011 12:15:58 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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