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To: Kevmo
1. Hot fusion is known to work.

***Then where is our hot fusion cars & jet packs?

2. Cold fusion has not been convincingly demonstrated, not by bona fide scientists, and certainly not by Rossi.

***Uh huh. So when his customer laid down €2M and put in an order for 12 more, it was not convincingly demonstrated.

3. If Rossi had a genuine process, it would be a simple matter to allow independent investigators demonstrate it without Rossi being anywhere near the demonstration.

***Sure it would be simple, if he had international patent protection. But he doesn’t, so it isn’t.

1. You won't have hot fusion jet packs and cars for many of the same reasons you don't have fission powered jet packs and cars. There are issues of safety and containment. In the case of hot fusion, physicists and engineers are still working on containment systems so that these extremely hot reactions can safely be conducted on earth.

2. I believe this has already been discussed by myself and other posters. The only proof of a customer is Rossi's word--and we already know how reliable that is. (In other words, unless you're a true believer, it's not at all reliable.)

3. Again, this has already been addressed many times. Publishing in a peer-reviewed paper would protect the intellectual property. People can sign non-disclosure agreements. Without even going into why this has not been published in peer-review journals or no patent has been granted, I can say that this "lack of patent protection" is merely an excuse for not allowing independent testing. What it looks like is that he won't allow independent tests because it doesn't work. In REAL scientific demonstrations, companies often leave their instruments with the prospective customer and let the customer use it for a week or so to see if they really want to buy it. And the customer doesn't even have to see inside it; all they have to do is load up samples and remove them when the process completes. There is no real reason Rossi couldn't allow this kind of "test drive"--if the device works.

110 posted on 11/30/2011 4:36:06 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom
3. Again, this has already been addressed many times. Publishing in a peer-reviewed paper would protect the intellectual property. People can sign non-disclosure agreements. Without even going into why this has not been published in peer-review journals or no patent has been granted, I can say that this "lack of patent protection" is merely an excuse for not allowing independent testing. What it looks like is that he won't allow independent tests because it doesn't work. In REAL scientific demonstrations, companies often leave their instruments with the prospective customer and let the customer use it for a week or so to see if they really want to buy it. And the customer doesn't even have to see inside it; all they have to do is load up samples and remove them when the process completes. There is no real reason Rossi couldn't allow this kind of "test drive"--if the device works.

His secret catalyst is in the samples Rossi held out to be tested. Catalysts don't change during a reaction so all they have to do is assay the sample he provided and they'll have the catalyst. A poster who apparently wants to remain anonymous (he doesn't have any posts) wrote me in Freep mail and said the catalyst was really the RF generator Rossi used (he uses it sometimes and sometimes he doesn't. The problem is, it's easy to detect the frequency and modulation of an RF signal so that's easily crack-able.

So, there's no reason for the secrecy except one, fraud.

If the poster I'm talking about wants credit, I will be glad to give it to him.

115 posted on 11/30/2011 6:06:43 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: exDemMom

1. You won’t have hot fusion jet packs and cars for many of the same reasons you don’t have fission powered jet packs and cars.
***And yet, that doesn’t stop naysayers & seagulls from leading off with “wake me up when I can buy a LENR car” or some bilgewater comment like that.

2. The only proof of a customer is Rossi’s word—and we already know how reliable that is.
***Then it makes it all the more easier to prove it’s a fraud. Eventually either he gets caught or it’s real. No middle ground any more with you folks claiming these are shills.

Publishing in a peer-reviewed paper would protect the intellectual property.
***You seem to come from a completely different planet than the one that real businesses operate on. I hope it’s cozy there. One of the threads I recently posted was quoting the president of Defkalion proudly claiming to have stolen Rossi’s formula.


124 posted on 11/30/2011 11:02:38 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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