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To: Olympiad Fisherman

There are some very odd considerations here, and just blaming it on Satan does not seem to do it justice.

1) From the very beginning of the Bible, and the eating of the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, mankind has often thought of itself in contention with God for supremacy. And all else being equal, this arrogance seems to top the list of the thing that tick God off.

A good example is the Tower of Babel, built with the plan for it to reach to heaven, so Nimrod and company would be “like gods”. Not that different, in its way, from Al Gore thinking he controls the weather.

Of course this philosophy, of supreme mankind, ‘Leviathan’, according to Thomas Hobbes, has more holes than a sponge, but that has not stopped endless philosophers from trying to somehow figure out a way to “make man in charge.”

For a great length of time, philosophers were thwarted by what God said to Moses when asked His name. “I AM THAT I AM”, is actually the most profound philosophical statements ever made, and it puts God clearly and uniquely in charge of everything.

The ice was finally broken by Rene Descartes, and it is no coincidence that his profound statement was “I think, therefore I am.” This amounts to, “Yeah, mankind is powerful, too.”

Back to Nimrod.

2) This leads to even greater weirdness, because almost all of the western philosophers had their grounding in religion and the Bible. So if man, not God, is supreme, they reasoned, the Bible must be rewritten with man, not God, in charge.

And thus was born socialism. It is, because it must be, inherently atheistic, despite any pretensions to religious liberalism. If they are religious, it is because they worship man, however, and even use a mental shorthand, of sorts, that since there is no God, praying to God is just praying to ourselves.

But then, as the expression goes, socialism “went full retard”, in trying to co-opt the Bible in its revisionism. The Garden of Eden, for example, was rewritten by Rousseau as The State of Nature, and from thence we see modern socialism’s nature worship, radical environmentalism.

Yet there are also a lot of dark sides to the religion of socialism. One being, as the Hebrews are the chosen people; so too the socialists think of themselves as “the elect”, precisely because they understand socialism, whereas the bulk of mankind are gentiles, the unwashed heathen who do not understand socialism. Thus the elite must rule over everyone else.

And this gets downright nasty, from slavery to genocide. All at the whim of the elites.

Well, all things considered, while Satan most certainly might have his hand in all of this, his role might have been entirely passive, just suggesting to Eve that she have a bite of fruit. Mankind could then do the rest itself.


53 posted on 11/06/2011 3:36:21 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Thanks for writing. Lots of good interesting points to be sure, except for the idea that Satan is passively involved in the affairs of men. The apostle Paul calls him the prince of the power of the air and the god of this world(Eph 2:2; 2 Cor 4:4). It is not either/or but both/and.


56 posted on 11/06/2011 3:49:27 PM PST by Olympiad Fisherman (Olympiad Fisherman)
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