1 MW E-Cat Cold Fusion Device Test Successful

Pure Energy Systems ^ | October 28, 2011 | Hank Mills

[Kevmo]

I have offered to post the same information that these seagulls are posting. Then they would have no reason to seagull onto the threads. But the answer to the offer is silence, because they would prefer to seagull onto the threads and stifle discussion.

So, yeah, someone else IS to be blamed. Absolutely FReeping right.

[Kevmo]

Rossi can tell. Everyone involved knows it’s a LENR device.

I am the one who is a proponent of calling it something else, not Rossi.

Even though everyone knows it’s a LENR device, that doesn’t mean you have to call it a nuclear device because the Nukular Experts swear up & down that such a device ain’t possible, so then just let it be called a chemical device and be done with it.

[woofie]

A businessman with a history of fraud and a fake degree

can you point me toward a source for this? I know nothing about any of this..... have no axe to grind........but Im skeptical

[Kevmo]

Who are you to personally insult anyone?
***You mean that being called a seagull is a personal insult? Why am I being told I must have a thick skin if these flying rats don’t have a thick skin themselves?

If it posts like a seagull, acts like a seagull, reasons like a seagull, and does its ‘business’ like a seagull, it’s probably a seagull.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_test

[woofie]

I received this reply from a friend. I had asked him what he thought of Rossi and his work.

Two physicists I respect — one an old friend from Princeton who passed away recently and another who is the Vice-Provost for Research at U. Missouri — both believe that cold fusion effects are real. However, both are skeptical that sufficient energy can be produced for practical purposes, at least with current technology. U. Missouri has invested a great deal of money in trying to turn the basic science and the clear (but modest) heat production into something that might be ready to commercialize, and I know that the Italian government has been investing in cold fusion as well. But, I can’t say anything else until I see what Rossi has.

[Post Toasties]

The inventor would have to be a fool to reveal even a shred of the physics to the non-paying observers (us).

Not saying Rossi is a fool. He's got his probably non-existent 'customer' to reveal his probably fraudulent 'invention's' details to.

See how neatly that works out?

[SpaceBar]

Here's something interesting. I just noticed that the wikipedia entries for the e-cat, and a related page for Rossi himself appear to have been recently scrubbed of embarrassing material that details Rossi’s dubious past and questions his scientific credentials. For example, material regarding a Kensington University that Rossi claims a degree from was forced to cease business in California when it was revealed to be basically a mail order diploma mill. That information was there up to a week or so ago, but is now mysteriously gone.

[John Valentine]

We are talking about a fusion device that requires electricity for internal pumping and preheating. There were people happy if the machine could put out ten units of heat for one unit of electricity. We are discussing fusion not over unity devices

I'm sorry, but your point (if there is one) is lost on me.

[woofie]

I came a cross the Kensington University stuff on google ....it does not look good

any sources for legit info on Rossi ?

[John Valentine]

Your long post to me is entertaining; watching someone make an ass of himself is always entertaining, and looks like a major defamation of Rossi as well, but it really has nothing whatsoever to do with my post and in no way answers me point, which simply is that the laws of physics cannot be violated, despite the ignorant notions bandied about on this thread by folks sympathetic to your point of view.

[aNYCguy]

Rossi does not have a history of fraud.

Sure he does. You're never going to face the obvious on his broad Petroldragon fraud, but I assume you don't dispute that he was convicted on multiple counts of tax fraud.

By the way, linking to a story about Andrea Rossi downplaying his criminal history that is written by Andrea Rossi is a funny move, no matter how reliable a news source you consider the blog where it was "published."

I have not checked into the accusation of a fake degree.

I find myself entirely unsurprised. His "degree" in chemical engineering is from Kensington University, a fake school in california with no classrooms or classes, that was shut down by the authorities in 2003.

LENR does not contravene the laws of physics.

Sorry, I'm going to have to go with the massive anti-cold-fusion conspiracy we call "mainstream physics" on this one.

[aNYCguy]

but it really has nothing whatsoever to do with my post and in no way answers me point, which simply is that the laws of physics cannot be violated

Oh, I don't really care about your insistence earlier in the thread that one joule is less than ten joules, and energy is conserved. I'm well aware of all that.

I thought it was abundantly clear that I was responding to your unrelated claim that this comedic opera must be legitimate because Rossi's likely-nonexistent secret customer is surely a clever guy who gets to the bottom of things.

I thought it might be particularly clear since my response to you quoted your claim that this comedic opera must be legitimate because Rossi's likely-nonexistent secret customer is surely a clever guy who gets to the bottom of things.

[Kevmo]

Kevmo: Rossi does not have a history of fraud.

NYCdude: Sure he does. You’re never going to face the obvious on his broad Petroldragon fraud, but I assume you don’t dispute that he was convicted on multiple counts of tax fraud.
***Ok, I do not dispute the tax fraud, so I will need to withdraw my assertion. The way I think of it is that he did not go to jail for defrauding customers in scams. Tax fraud is something that I just don’t think of as in the same league. I know a couple of guys here in the states that have run afoul of the IRS and it was not fraud, even though the IRS says it was. So my new, couched, assertion is that he has not gone to jail for defrauding others in a scam. He’s been to jail for stuff like not cleaning up a toxic waste site properly (the rules changed on him) and basically the stuff delineated in that article.

By the way, linking to a story about Andrea Rossi downplaying his criminal history that is written by Andrea Rossi is a funny move, no matter how reliable a news source you consider the blog where it was “published.”
***So, you do not consider an enemy of Rossi to be a reliable source of his criminal history? What if I went to your enemy and said, “Did NYCGUY go to prison for molesting his neighbor’s daughter?” and your enemy, who really dislikes you and would love to see you go down for such a thing says, “No, it was because he didn’t pay his taxes properly, some SNAFU with the IRS.” When your enemies acknowledge certain factual claims, those are the facts on the ground. It is a simple rule of inductive reasoning, and courts of law will follow it as an established practice.

Sorry, I’m going to have to go with the massive anti-cold-fusion conspiracy we call “mainstream physics” on this one.
***Too lazy to read up on the Widom-Larson theory, huh? Well, you said you wanted to get it straight, but it turns out all you want to do is paint with a black brush.

[aNYCguy]

Looks like you've already found the Kensingon University stuff. The fraud was related to his company Petroldragon that was supposed to turn liquid toxic waste products into clean fuel through a process we call "magic." But he was found to be storing the waste products onsite and involved in some sort of precious metals smuggling that earned him convictions on five counts of tax fraud. The company had its assets seized and was liquidated.

The Italian Wikipedia entry for Petroldragon has links to Italian newspaper articles on this, but since we're all here for good fun I'll link you to Andrea Rossi's own take on things that Kevmo posted: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/RossiPetroldragonStory.shtml

According to Rossi, the mafia and the government colluded to ruin him. I eagerly await the movie based on his autobiography.

Kevmo, you've been pinged for courtesy. I hope we can all have a beer and a laugh when Rossi goes to jail on his second continent.

[Lazamataz]

Pretty neat stuff if it all pans out.

[Kevmo]

At this point I think it’s inductively obvious that Rossi has a Diploma Mill degree from Kensington. He brushed it off by saying it’s an honorary degree, but that strikes me as bowl sheet. Rossi also has some sort of legitimate fluffy non-science degree.

[count-your-change]

I wouldn't be surprised if the embarrassing background has been scrubbed. It's about time to produce The Story, some official script to read from. But that's Wikipedia.

[Johnny B.]

Did you read the LINK I referenced earlier in this thread? ***No.

It’s a very interesting story, ***Not interesting enough for me to click on it.

That's the closed-minded attitude I would expect from a "true believer".

[Theophilus]

in Bologna?
in Bologna??
As in “what-a-buncha?”

[Johnny B.]

At this point I think it’s inductively obvious that Rossi has a Diploma Mill degree from Kensington. He brushed it off by saying it’s an honorary degree, but that strikes me as bowl sheet.

So, you admit that he's lying about his credentials, but you have no trouble believing everything he says about his E-Cat, even though, when you eliminate Rossi's unsubstantiated claims, there's nothing left.

I guess denial is as powerful a force as greed.