Posted on 10/28/2011 10:59:24 PM PDT by Kevmo
Maybe our disagreement lies in exactly what “successful” constitutes as used in the title. Does it mean the thing has been shown beyond reasonable doubt in the scientific community under rigorous scrutiny
***No. Again there is that high duhh factor, begging the question of why you would choose to hover over such a thread where it is FReeping obvious that the technology is not at that level of maturity.
that it is a genuine unique and new method to create energy that was before either unknown
***It is LENR. The field has been known for 22 years. But lots of pathological skeptics have trouble accepting simple scientific facts, such as that the Pons-Fleischmann effect has been replicated over 14,700 times.
or not adequately demonstrated before,
***Rossi’s contribution is a ‘catalyst’ that makes the reaction easier to replicate.
or does it mean Rossi convinced someone to open their wallet?
***It means that Rossi chose not to try to demonstrate this scientifically but with customers who want to buy product. Trying to convince the scientific world of LENR is like pushing a rope uphill. After he sells the 29th unit, the scientific community will start thinking that maybe it’s time to buy one or two.
Because those are two entirely different things
***Yeah, duhh... It should be incredibly obvious to anyone who reads a little bit on LENR and the Ecat. Why is that not obvious to you?
Tell that to the guy who posts Rossi threads once or twice a night, every night.
***And you no doubt are dragged, kicking and screaming, onto these LENR threads...
You know why a seagull’s computer does not have an IGNORE button? Because they wouldn’t use it anyways.
It is remarkable to me that so much of this discussion is carried on by people who haven’t even bothered to get the facts.
***Yup. A common behavior trait of the Free Republic species of LENR Seagull.
I don’t begrudge funding for research.
***I do. Even 1% of that money could have gone into LENR and we would have been far further down the road 20 years ago. As it is, it left this infant out to fend for itself.
PathoSkeptic: That 3 year old can’t even get past 3rd or 4th place in these horse races.
Rational Skeptic: But it’s a 3 year old HUMAN, not a horse. It looks like it’s doing pretty darned well.
PathoSkeptic: It’s still a 3-year old vs. 3-year olds. It’s a scam.
22 years later....
Rational Skeptic: Looks like that 25 year old beat your 25 year old horse in this last race.
PathoSkeptic: But horse races are supposed to be for 3 year olds.
The bickering is how we human beings flesh things out. The urge to shove the other guy's face in his wrongness is a huge net positive for everyone because it drives us to cross examine stuff and to tease out the truth. Bickering is fundamental to survival and improvement. Plus, it's fun!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion
Pretty decent treatment of cold fusion IMO (but I only went up to a Master’s in Physics, so I could be wrong, of course /sarc)
For myself, until I see an explanation for overcoming the Coulombic repulsion between Ni and H nuclei (which would be **enormous**), I’m not buying this. This isn’t muon-catalyzed fusion, and anyway the lifetime of a muon is *what* before it decays into an electron??? That’s right...
Put simply, the positive charge of the Ni nucleus would shove the H nucleus to Hell and back if it got too close (even if it was tritium).
Let me get this straight.
A businessman with a history of fraud and a fake degree claims to have invented a source of virtually free and limitless energy that contravenes fundamentals of physics,
***No, you do not have it straight. See John Valentine’s comment upthread about folks like you...
>> “It is remarkable to me that so much of this discussion is carried on by people who haven’t even bothered to get the facts.” <<
what else would you like to call it.
***I would like to call it High Energy Chemical Exothermic Reactions — HECER. If Pons & Fleishmann had kept to that description, they would have nobel prizes today. Instead they ignited a turf war that they lost.
We got TANG. We got Moondust. No doubt we got Moonboy from all this as well.
Now that I think of it, yeah, we overpaid. /s
I have posted several LENR theory threads. You should check them out.
I'll vote for 'it reeks'.
Right. Someone ELSE is to be blamed. right.
Who are you to personally insult anyone?
So what?
A businessman with a history of fraud and a fake degree claims to have invented a source of virtually free and limitless energy that contravenes fundamentals of physics,
***That’s what you said you wanted to get straight. You threw so much falsehood together into one sentence, old chap, that it’s basically a straw argument.
Rossi does not have a history of fraud. Here is where his history is posted, as acknowledged by even an enemy of Rossi, but the seagulls on FR do not like where it leads.
Andrea Rossi’s Petroldragon Story
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2796280/posts
Friday, October 21, 2011 5:23:59 PM · by Kevmo · 170 replies
New Energy Times ^ | August 20111 | Translation by Alex Passi and Domenico Pozzetti
I have not checked into the accusation of a fake degree. Based upon what I found when I looked into the supposed history of fraud, I expect there to be more than enough reason for the seagulls to flock and disagree with.
LENR does not contravene the laws of physics. Check into the Widom-Larson theory if you want a theory that relies completely on conventional physics. There are other theories that are better descriptions of the observations. If you have a problem with the more than 14,700 times that the Pons-Fleischmann effect has been observed, then there is no reason to discuss theory with you.
Rossi did not invent Ni-H Cold Fusion, he worked with Focardi who had generated some remarkable results with it.
Rossi invented what he calls a ‘catalyst’ that makes the Ni-H reaction more replicable. Up until a few weeks ago, the preferred mode of investigating LENR was D-Pd because it was easier to replicate. Rossi’s invention makes something that was harder to replicate into something that can be commercialized.
Sounds like he's pegging the BS meter.
Bookmarking as The Reference Post on this issue.
Got trouble with a suggestion of “maybe you should check them out”? Or is it your lack of reading comprehension that leads you to post such a non-sequitur?
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