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Do you really think your seagull contribution to this thread is worth something?
Posted on 10/28/2011 10:59:24 PM PDT by Kevmo
I’m including everything, capital costs, operating costs, all of it together. If this device here has such a high initial capital cost, then even if it runs for nothing, it has to run for a long time to make up the difference in the initial outlay.
It’s like an electric car. Sure, electric might be cheaper than gas, but if you’re paying 30k more, that can buy you lots of gas.
Another dubious aspect is that this “public demonstration” was performed ostensibly to convince one customer. If that were the case, why not simply perform the test in private, away from the prying eyes of the media and all the PR hassles that entails?
***That was Rossi’s original (and publicly stated) plan. But his friend Focardi is in ill health and wanted the recognition for his work, so he asked Rossi to do demos. Rossi sucks at demos. He’s the type of engineer that leaves an electric generator lying around during a demo of a heat generator.
Nothing you posted eliminates the possibility that Levi is being paid off by Rossi.
The other aspect of all these “demos” I find amusing is how scaling everything up, with more hoses, more wires, and bigger claims seems to somehow translate into more convincing, when a 1 watt clearly self-sustaining unit inside a film cannister would be far more effective.
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Every demo has sucked. Why should we believe he has a commercially viable product? A mystery customer buying from a con man with an arrest record, at least one fake degree, and other character issues doesn't cut it.
For all the scientific expertise apparently available to Rossie and Co. and yet they still can't set up even a simple demonstration properly? Please!
But you go on calling the non-believers “sea gulls”. It's as irrelevant as the the hype.
I know. Why would a customer want to buy 100 faulty units with a huge generator hooked to them, when it would be cheaper to buy and lose money on just one?
Rossi sucks at demos. He’s the type of engineer that leaves an electric generator lying around during a demo of a heat generator.Did you read the LINK I referenced earlier in this thread?
The con man in that article left a half-mile spool of coaxial cable laying around when he was conning Intel and Blockbuster that he had a revolutionary new way of transmitting high-quality video over normal phone lines.
It's a very interesting story, and it shows how easy it is for a con man to fool lots of people for a long time.
Well obviously you’re just a seagull. Sorry, couldn’t help myself.
Thanks for the input. It is starting to make a little a more sense now.
I have to say that I was assuming that Rossi would have figured out and implemented the steam generator (or whatever) that is necessary to provide an electrical output. But apparently he hasn’t. As you point out, kilowatts of heat are nice but not as nice as kilowatts of electrical power. I think the jury will be out until he, or someone, manages that critical step.
I have to say that I was assuming that Rossi would have figured out and implemented the steam generator (or whatever) that is necessary to provide an electrical output. But apparently he hasn’t. As you point out, kilowatts of heat are nice but not as nice as kilowatts of electrical power. I think the jury will be out until he, or someone, manages that critical step.All commercial nuclear, oil and coal power plants use steam to generate electricity. That part is well established.
Assuming that Rossi's device really generates excess heat (I'm doubtful, but I could be wrong), the question is how much steam and how much it costs. To run a convention power plant, it would have to generate enormous amounts of high-pressure steam. None of the demos showed anything like that much power generation, nor did they claim to be trying to do so.
There are plenty of uses for "free" steam, even if it isn't powerful enough to run electrical generators. If an E-Cat really can generate enough heat to keep Rossi's factory warm for six months on a single charge of inexpensive "fuel", it could save millions of lives each year just by distilling pure drinking water.
I would love to see this thing work. I'm not holding my breath, however.
My reply must have been cryptic. I understood what you were saying, agreed and expanded on it.
That price is buying low quality heat, not finished electricity. You are overvaluing the output of the unit by comparing the costs with electricity.
Oh, I agree. I’m just arguing that even if everything works out in best case scenario, it’s still got a long way to being something actually useful.
And that’s assuming this ISN’T a complete scam.
Grow up!This is a discussion forum. If you want to discuss it, jump right in and take your best shot.
There are a number of places where they only allow uncritical praise and cheerleading for Rossi. If you can't stand to read anything you don't agree with, go to one of those forums.
By the way, the correct way to try to be insulting and attempting to stop any real discussion on these threads is to call anyone you disagree with a "Seagull".
After all, we have to maintain our standards here.
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