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To: sometime lurker
Are you deliberately being obtuse?

No. If I were, your argument would make sense.

Indians were considered members of "sovereign" Indian nations (classified as "domestic dependent nations") so their citizenship was with their Indian "nation," which is also why the Constitution excluded them from taxes. It's also why if you visit the Navajo reservation in the Southwest, you will see you are visiting the "Navajo Nation." Note that current US Title 8 gives citizenship to "Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe [emphasis added.]

So you are saying that Children born of citizens from other nations do not become American Citizens just because they are born here? Great! We agree! My point exactly!

Slaves, since they were property, did not have citizenship rights. (Do you know of any country where slaves were citizens with citizenship rights while still slaves?)

Place of birth! Place of Birth! Nothing else matters. Anyone born here is supposed to be a "citizen" just because they were born here. (according to your theory.)

And I'm so glad you were physically present when James Madison gave his speech so you could attest that his "comment" was "offhand" instead of part of his prepared speech.

I am so glad that your arguing style is so infantile that it poses not a threat to the truth. And now you have pounced on the trifle of the word "offhand" because you can do no better with bigger points of fact.

171 posted on 08/10/2011 12:25:35 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Abortion is Murder and Democrats are Stupid and/or Evil.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
So you are saying that Children born of citizens from other nations do not become American Citizens just because they are born here? Great! We agree! My point exactly!

You are deliberately misunderstanding (I can't quite credit that you are ignorant enough to be really misunderstanding). Indian tribes were considered akin to separate nations, as indicated in the Treaty of Fort Pitt 1778 "the United States do engage to guarantee to the aforesaid nation of Delawares, and their heirs, all their territorial rights in the fullest and most ample manner, as it hath been bounded by former treaties..." So Indians were considered to be born in their respective Indian nations, not in the United States.

The Military base is incidental, it is the born of two citizen parents that is the salient point.

That is your contention, that because the facts about McCain were included, those facts were the criteria. As if a resolution saying "Mr. Jones, born in Kansas, is an American citizen." Does that mean that American citizens can only be born in Kansas? No. Show me the law where the criteria are explicitly stated for two citizen parents and I might believe you. But you can't.

205 posted on 08/10/2011 7:26:25 PM PDT by sometime lurker
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