Shhhhhhhh! You're throwing a wrench into a very good FR conspiracy theory..........
Looks like Michael Rivero has returned...........
Posted on 08/07/2011 9:31:04 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
Obama is bad, ergo, he is behind every bad thing that happens.
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That pretty much sums it up, are you trying to defend that POS?
and you know this how?
Who says they didn’t believe the mission was a valid one...but someone tipped the enemy?
How many choppers in the OBL raid?
How many in this one?
How many SEALS on the OBL raid?
How many on this one?
You have a helo that holds 55 troops. So you load half the seals in one and order another one to carry the other half?
Or do you say no, I need 4-5 blackhawks or big birds, get the CH-47 outta here.
Don't worry. The object isn't to convince them, it's to give the lurkers a clear distinction between reality and fantasy. You're doing that.
These aren't real theories of what happened. It's an expression of anger at Obama, which then turns up into a game of one-upping. "I hate Obama more than you. You only think he's a Marxist vampire Nazi Cthulhu worshipper who was behind the fall of Czarist Russia and the cancellation of Firefly. I think all that, AND I think he's a cyborg Judas Iscariot, come from the past to hunt down Sarah Palin like Sarah Connor in Terminator! If you don't agree you're a lousy, flag-torching Obama troll!!1!!1"
Well, you get the idea. It's frustrated, emotional venting, not analysis.
Also, your post 129 is awesome. As a plot hole, I'm almost wondering why Obama would even bother to kill these guys off if he is already able to mind control all of JSOC? Kind of unnecessary, no? Maybe the source of the mind control power, who lies dead but dreaming in the house of R'lyeh, demands human sacrifice?
I am seeing rwo different stories about how this happened. One from a nato spokesman and another from other “sources on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak.”
I got to wait until the dust clears. But I remember Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch...and the WH *reenactment* of the bin laden op. Don’t you?
Seal Team 6 has been around since the '80s. I have seen a plankholder's certificate, owned by a trusted lifelong friend.
Scratch that one off your list.
Shhhhhhhh! You're throwing a wrench into a very good FR conspiracy theory..........
Looks like Michael Rivero has returned...........
Critical thinking? Ever heard of Ron Brown or Vince Foster?
Clinton Body Count:
The following is a partial list of deaths of persons connected to P_resident Clinton during his tenure as Governor of Arkansas and/or while P_resident of the United States and thereafter.
Read the list and judge for yourself.
BARBARA OLSON - Author of “Hell to Pay” - a book critical of Hillary Clinton, killed in the Pentagon bombing.
DARLENE NOVINGER - Former FBI operative, January 23rd, 2003. Novinger was known to hold sensitive information on the Clinton and Bush I administration’s drug operations. Her husband murdered March 1987 when she went public with initial reports. Her father died July 8, 1993 four hours after Darlene was a guest on the Tom Valentine show. Suffered retaliation after reporting discussions by government protected drug smuggler who described contacts with Vice President George Bush and his son, Jeb Bush.
DAN MULLONEY, a television news photographer who shot footage of the 1993 Branch Davidian siege.
CHARLES RUFF - White House Counsel and Clinton defense attorney during the Monica Lewinsky scandal and the impeachment trial. Of apparent natural causes.
JAMES MCDOUGAL - Clinton’s convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. McDougal was a key witness in Kenneth Starr’s investigation.
MARY MAHONEY - A former White House intern was murdered July 6, 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened during the pre-trial publicity surrounding the Paula Jones lawsuit days after Newsweek’s Mike Isakoff dropped hints that a former White House staffer was about to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
VINCENT FOSTER - Former White House counselor, and former colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose law firm. Foster was found dead July 20, 1993 of a gunshot to the head ruled a suicide. Rumours were that Foster and Hillary had an affair.
RON BROWN - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported to the Bob Grant Radio Show a hole in top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.
C. VICTOR RAISER II - Former National finance Co-Chairman, Clinton for President Campaign and son MONTGOMERY RAISER died in a private plane crash in Alaska, July 30th,1992. Raiser was described as a major player in the Clinton organization by Dee Dee Meyers.
JEREMY “MIKE” BOORDA, President Clinton’s former Chief of Naval Operations allegedly committed suicide by shooting himself in the chest with a .38 caliber pistol on his front lawn in May 1996. The unauthorized wearing of valor pins was the alleged reasoning behind the suicide. By 1998 this reasoning was proved false after the Navy issued a report that said Boorda earned the right to wear the pins afterall.
PAUL TULLEY - Democrat National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, Arkansas September 24, 1992, Described by Clinton as a “Dear friend and trusted advisor”.
ED WILLEY - Clinton fund raiser-found dead November 30, 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide, Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed that Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
JERRY PARKS - Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Parks’ son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house
JAMES BUNCH - Died from a gunshot wound. Reported to have a black book of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.
JAMES WILSON - Was found dead by hanging May 18, 1993. Was reported to have ties to Whitewater.
KATHY FERGUSON - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson died in May,1994 was found dead in her living room with a gunshot wound to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Corbin Jones lawsuit. She was reported a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones case.
BILL SHELTON - Arkansas state Trooper and Fiancee of Kathy Ferguson.Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.
GANDY BAUGH - Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater died by falling out a window of a tall building January, 1991. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
FLORENCE MARTIN - Accountant subcontractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Dead of three gunshot wounds.
SUZANNE COLEMAN - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to back of head, ruled a suicide, was pregnant at the time her death.
PAULA GROBER - Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
DANNY CASOLARO - Investigative reporter, investigating Mena airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. Found dead with slit his wrists in the middle of his investigation.
PAUL WILCHER - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 “October Surprise” was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC Apartment. Had delivered report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.
JON PARNELL WALKER - Whitewater Investigator for Resolution Trust Corporation. Fell to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal.
BARBARA WISE - Commerce Department Staffer, worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.
CHARLES MEISSNER - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.
DR.STANLEY HEARD - Chair National Chiropractic Heath Care Advisory committee died with his attorney.
STEVE DICKSON - Died in a small plane crash. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton’s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.
BARRY SEAL - Drug running pilot out of Mena, Arkansas. Death was no accident.
JOHNNY LAWHORN Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in the trunk of a car left in his repair shop. Died when his car hit a utility pole.
STANLEY MUGGINS - Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report was never released.
HERSHELL FRIDAY - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.
KEVIN IVES and DON HENRY - Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas Airport Drug operation. This controversial case where initial report of death was due to falling asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the two had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many people linked to the case died (see below) before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.
THE FOLLOWING SIX PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:
KEITH CONEY - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck in July, 1988.
KEITH McMASKLE - Died, stabbed 113 times, November 1988.
GREGORY COLLINS - Died from a gunshot wound, January 1989.
JEFF RHODES - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
JAMES MILAN. Found decapitated-Coroner ruled death due to natural causes.
JORDAN KETTLESON - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
RICHARD WINTERS - Winters was a suspect in the Ives/Henry deaths. Was killed in set-up robbery in July 1989.
THE FOLLOWING FORMER CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
- MAJOR WILLIAM S. BARKLEY JR.
- CAPTAIN SCOTT J.REYNOLDS
- SGT. BRIAN HANEY
- SGT. TIM SABEL
- MAJOR GENERAL WILLIAM ROBERTSON
- COL. WILLIAM DENSBERGER
- COL. ROBERT KELLY
- SPEC. GARY RHODES
- STEVE WILLIS
- ROBERT WILLIAMS
- CONWAY LeBLEU
- TODD McKEEHAN
From:
http://www.lizmichael.com/clintond.htm
This link has updates and photos:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/BODIES.html
Five Navy aviators, Clinton bodyguards/escorts
(names not determined) died: 3/26/93 - all died in a crash of an E-2C Hawkeye in Italy.
The crash occurred shortly after the plane was “waved off” from a landing attempt on the Carrier Roosevelt, due to a “foul deck”. - All five men had been Clinton’s escorts during Clinton’s visit to the Roosevelt 2 weeks prior.
Three other men, who had flown Clinton to the Roosevelt for that visit also died later in a helicopter crash.
Staff Sgt. Brian Haney, Clinton bodyguard
Marine Sgt. Tim Sabel, Clinton bodyguard
Maj. William Barkley, Clinton bodyguard
Capt. Scott Reynolds, Clinton bodyguard
died: 5/19/93 - All four men died when their helicopter crashed in the woods near Quantico, Va. - Reporters were barred from the site, and the head of the fire department responding to the crash described it by saying, “Security was tight,” with “lots of Marines with guns.”
The Marines seized a videotape made by a firefighter. All four men had escorted Clinton on his flight to the carrier Roosevelt shortly before their deaths.
Aldo Franscoia, Secret Service Agent
Cpt. Kevin N. Earnest, Aircraft Commander
Cpt. Kimberly Jo Wielhouwer, Pilot
2Lt. Benjamin T. Hall, Navigator
SSgt. Michael J. SmithJr., Loadmaster
Sr. Airman Rick L. Merritt, Flight Engineer
SSgt. Michael R. York, Loadmaster
Sr. Airman Billy R. Ogston, Crew Chief
Airman Thomas A. Stevens, Loadmaster.
Killed when the C-130 carrying the Presidential Limos crashed near Jackson Hole, Wyoming. August 18, 1996. All nine people on board a White House support plane were killed.
No doubt we haven't heard all the details and I hope they never become public knowledge. But the stories we have heard so far from sources other than just the US Military are consistent with raiding ops that go on every night in Afghanistan.
As far as the Lynch and Tillman events go, the only "conspiracy" was in the cover-up not the actual unfortunate underlying events.
Bookmark
TY for the report on the General McInerny interview.
You have a helo that holds 55 troops. So you load half the seals in one and order another one to carry the other half?
Or do you say no, I need 4-5 blackhawks or big birds, get the CH-47 outta here.
No, only the ones that are leaked by Obama or VP biden to their special Taliban OPs in the mountains......
Don't ask me to explain but it has to be true..........
Yes, and this is not our grandfathers’ military...or even our fathers’ military. We have had prosecutions of GIs doing their JOBS by fighting a WAR, that politicians have screwed over, and so did some of the commanding officers to save their own asses.
Fighting generals have been replaced by politicians, many of whom come straight from the left, who have destroyed morale, literally drugged our battlefield troops to keep them in combat. They have imposed insane retrictions on the guys on the ground over there. DO NOT stand there and tell me that I am simply hysterical.
Our troops have been forced into classes that teach the wonders of islam so they will be *respectful* to the enemy.
For G-d’s sake. Our militry has become an exercise in social engineering that boggles the mind. And it is getting OUR guys KILLED,
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That pretty much sums it up, are you trying to defend that POS?
Alright, alright. I'll humor you. Let's look at the two statements above.
Do you think Obama is behind every bad thing that happens? Every flat tire? Every red light when you're late to work? Every sniper round, DUI fatality or case of terminal cancer? Every love story that doesn't end happily?
If not, why not?* Is it because you are a closet Obama fan? Is there any other possible explanation?
* (If you do, then consider yourself Automatic Epic Win for all time. I know I will.)
Plus at this point, I think we are assuming it was an RPG, and we know that for a mission of this magnitude, a mass assassination of our elite forces by the President himself, that an RPG fired by the taliban would be the best, most dependable weapon to use in the dark against the target chopper, because after all, you only get one shot at an assassination on this scale.
Because it isn't a word.
You cou;d never cover that up..not with 30+ Americans being killed. If it does turn out that it was a suicide mission, Congress will cme back nto session on Monday to pass a resolution calling for IMMEDIATE US withdrawal....btw..did you notice that Karzai was making all the initial announcements about this? Why?
You should have heard Aaron Klein this afternoon!
Bill Clinton started the muslim chaplain program, no accident who Hillary’s chief of staff is.
http://kleinonline.wnd.com/2011/08/07/jihadists-infiltrated-u-s-military-you-wont-believe-sordid-ties-of-armed-forces-chaplain-program/
Thanks for posting this. Some I knew, some I didn’t know. Anyone who says “At least Hitlery would be better than 0h0m0” doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
We’re governed by truly evil people.
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