Posted on 07/30/2011 1:44:23 PM PDT by Liberty1970
No, the assumption is that the laws of physics are the same at all times and in all places.
***And that is not true, or else there would have been no reason for Einstein’s relativity theory.
Now, I know you’re gonna get all hot & bothered by that statement, but the lurkers will notice that you cannot refute it.
And lurkers will notice also that your assumptions are likely not to hold while atoms are stuck in a lattice, unless there is direct evidence to confirm the assumption. In which case it would no longer be an assumption.
Many of those laws we teach to undergraduates, and they are free to apply what they have learned to explain what that which has not been observed cannot happen.
***Invalid assumption — that which has not been observed. It HAS been observed.
And just to address your point neither 14,000 nor even one person have observed nuclear fusion in “cold” conditions in a solid state lattice of platinum or nickle or anything else. Pons and Fleishman did not discover cold fusion because it does not happen.
***Oooh, we have the big one here. Circular reasoning fallacy. It did not happen because it can’t happen.
“Rocks do not fall from the sky.”
Lurkers are learning a lot from you. Keep up the good work.
How is it you are able to block this 24/7 just like Rossi?
That isn’t the hallmark of a legit researcher
***What? Take a writing class.
I did, on another post,
***Learn some Free Republic netiquette
Really Rossi, you just need to add the Admin to change your nic so you don’t have to hide under that alias anymore.
***So, Rossi signed up to Free Republic 14 years ago just so he could blog about his fabulous cold fusion invention that would come into play so many years later?
Like I said upthread, you’re coming unglued. Add some bran to your diet.
My point was, he did it once, and he is trying to do it again.
***This is, again, a very distinct possibility. Each person will make up their own mind about Rossi.
As far as I can tell, none of us have skin in the game, and B4Ranch is the only one who was in a position to put skin in the game. Your condescending theories about con artists who turn down 99% of what’s offered simply don’t pass the smell test.
The oldest university in the world isn’t backing this and this isn’t even a very good con
***2nd hit on Google for “e cat” “energy catalyzer” “university of bologna”
University Of Bologna Confirms Rossi E-Cat ResearchJul 5, 2011 – Free Energy Truth - E-Catalyzer Energy Catalyzer Andrea Rossi ... University Of Bologna Confirms Rossi E-Cat Research ...
http://wwwfreeenergytruth.blogspot.com/.../university-of-bologna-confirms-rossi-e.html - Cached
You are Rossi
***I see that other freepers have stopped putting up with you, so it’s probably my turn. You are really coming unglued. Take a chill pill.
Pretty freaking amateur job if you ask me, looks to be someone who is trying to reproduce something they were reading in the book.
***If I’m Rossi then I would have done a better job of it. Your reasoning does not hold. Let the lurkers decide for themselves.
You need to find someone else other than Rossi to be your flag bearer of discussions on the forums.
***I was posting on LENR threads before Rossi popped up on everyone’s radar. You need to take a writing class and a critical thinking class. And learn some manners.
Which is exactly why a dimwitted individual such as yourself
***You’re the one who has been posting logical fallacies in this thread, that a dimwit is able to point out. What does that make you?
Dila, I'm *that* far away from violating the terms of service of this website with you. How dare you even insinuate that I'm in any way attempting "to get members of FR to give money to con artists"?
You can shove your infantile accusations up your bunghole, pal. You need to stop hounding me to accept your opposition research.
Drop it! I'm not interested in what you're selling, so get the hell out of my face already!
Figgers.
I've been a Freeper for four and a half years. I've only clicked the 'abuse' button once in all that time, but I'm getting mighty close to reporting this guy to management. I'm not even vaguely interested in his conspiracy theories, but he's latched onto me like some sort of leech and will not stop badgering me about it.
Never seen anything like it on this forum.
That is your strawman (and that is a real strawman, unlike what everyone around here mistakenly thinks is a strawman), but that is not my argument. My argument is that I know it did not happen because no one among my trusted and respected colleagues at various labs and universities around the country has been able to produce any sign that nuclear fusion is generating excess heat or that nuclear fusion is even happening - and I know a lot of good scientists at various universities and laboratories who have looked into it, real experts in nuclear instrumentation who don't make the amateur claims and the juvenile measurement errors of these fools and frauds.
I further am comfortable with the conclusion that there is nothing there to see because it cannot happen according to the laws of physics. When someone produces some physical evidence - I don't mean the HS that you are spouting, but real scientific data - that our present understanding is flawed or inapplicable or wrong, then I will pay attention. And so long as you argue that you can violate that Heisenburg uncertainty principle, you are a fool and a scoundrel. And Sihna, deflation (which is a buzzword they stole), and the Bose Einstein claim (you and your fraudulent coconspirators really are playing buzzword bingo) all fail for exactly this same reason because these are not different theories. They all try to do that which cannot be done - localize an electron in way too small a box - as a mechanism to overcome the coulomb barrier, absent which the fusion that no one observes cannot happen. You and they are also conflating single particle and quasi-particle phenomenon (ya' know what I am saying? Ha no you don't you ignorant clown).
Meanwhile I am quite comfortable predicting that Rossi will produce nothing like what he has promised.
Now there is academic independence for you. I want to know, has this Rossi guy forked over the initial payment?
One of the things that is a dead giveaway about this cold-fusion fraud is that it is all self-referential. There is an inside circle and and outside the circle and nothing else. It is a sociology I have seen nowhere else in the sciences.
Sinha’s so-called theories violate the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle
***So do other observations. Experiments trump theory.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2756555/posts?page=11#11
To: decimon
“The original EPR [Einstein–Podolsky–Rosen] paradox challenges the prediction of quantum mechanics that it is impossible to know both the position and the momentum of a quantum particle. This can be extended to other pairs of physical properties.
[edit] EPR paper
The original paper describes what happens to “two systems I and II, which we permit to interact ...”, and, after some time, “we suppose that there is no longer any interaction between the two parts.” In the words of Kumar (2009), it has “Two particles, A and B, [which] interact briefly and then move off in opposite directions.”[6] According to Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle, it is impossible to measure both the momentum and the position of particle B, say, exactly. However, it is possible to measure the exact position of particle A and the exact momentum of particle B. By calculation, therefore, with the exact position of particle A known, the exact position of particle B can be known. Also, with the exact momentum of particle B known, the exact momentum of particle A can be worked out. “EPR argued that they had proved that ... particle B can have simultaneously exact values of position and momentum.”
This is a paradox in Quantum Mechanics: The theory predicts that both values cannot be known for a particle, and yet the EPR experiment shows that they can. “Therefore, the quantum mechanical description of physical reality, EPR conclude, is incomplete.”[7] The paper says: “We are thus forced to conclude that the quantum-mechanical description of physical reality given by wave functions is not complete.”
The EPR paper ends with:
While we have thus shown that the wave function does not provide a complete description of the physical reality, we left open the question of whether or not such a description exists. We believe, however, that such a theory is possible.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox
11 posted on Sunday, July 31, 2011 7:58:30 AM by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
What is your take on the EPR paradox with respect to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle?
Never seen anything like it on this forum.
***Spend some time on the crevo threads and you’ll see the scientism believers act like this with regularity.
Not going to bother responding to all your pitter patter
Despite what you have heard, Nobel Prizes don’t give you magical powers or the ability to devise truth.
I hope I can convince you of this fact, otherwise reading the rest of your post is a waste of my time.
Kevmo, I am the one that brought it up.
Don’t be dense.. you never responded to the fact that he said he had a factory in the US with no roof, no walls, and a bunch of trees growing where the floor was supposed to be.
This was posted a long time ago.
Still thinking you are Rossi, because last time I posted this months ago, the entire story mysteriously all changed after I posted copies of the business license.
On the other thread, I even had pictures of the empty lot for you.
My argument is that I know it did not happen because no one among my trusted and respected colleagues at various labs
***Maybe that is your argument now, but it is not what you wrote above. Thanks for caring enough to backtrack.
and universities around the country has been able to produce any sign that nuclear fusion is generating excess heat
***So you rely on others to do your thinking for you. “Rocks do not fall from the sky”.
or that nuclear fusion is even happening
***I don’t care if it’s Nukular Fusion or Nuklar Fission or Roundabout Widom-Larson LENR. It is an effect that has been observed, at least 14000 times. Try to get that through your head.
- and I know a lot of good scientists at various universities and laboratories who have looked into it,
***And there are plenty who have looked into it and replicated the results, 14000 TIMES. It only takes one or 2 replications to show it as a real result.
real experts in nuclear instrumentation who don’t make the amateur claims and the juvenile measurement errors of these fools and frauds.
***On an earlier thread I posted that “that, ladies and gentlemen, is how you wave off 14000 orders of magnitude with just some fancy words and a bunch of invective” or something similar.
And Jackson is basically not worth listening to. If he were a real expert, we’d be citing his work. And he wouldn’t be posting so many freshman fallacies.
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