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To: SunkenCiv

SunkenCiv, what ever happened to that Bay of Jars dispute with the Brazilian government? Did anyone ever determine if there really is a sunken Roman merchant ship in S. America? For that matter, what about that allegedly Roman figurine that was unearthed in Mexico City? I’ve never heard much about either since they were in the news years ago.


4 posted on 07/29/2011 11:00:16 PM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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The figurine was dug up, hmm, I'd have to look that up, but it was quiite a while ago, maybe first half of the 20th c, in a PreColumbian burial; it was given the brush-off I believe for many years, then someone with some intellectual curiousity happened to spot it and figure out that it was "old world". There are of course the knee-jerk response crowd, so-called skeptics who are actually true believers, who rejected the idea immediately. Clearly though, a piece of carved stone didn't float across the Atlantic. My personal favorite is how a working vessel isn't allowed to cross the ocean, but a "wreck" somehow can make it all the way, despite the fact that wrecks generally wind up on the bottom. :')

The Brazilian find was made forty years ago or thereabouts, by Robert Marx, who's a great diver (or was) but without academic credentials. Since "academice credentials" means, in part, indoctrination into the nonsense of isolationism, it's difficult at best to find someone who will dive in a remote location as in where the ancient (?) wreck was found near the coast of Brazil.
Romans In Rio? In 1976, diver Jose Roberto Texeira salvaged two intact amphorae from the bottom of Guanabara Bay, 15 kilometers from Rio de Janeiro. Six years later, archeologist Robert Marx found thousands of pottery fragments in the same locality, including 200 necks from amphorae.

Amphorae are tall storage vessels that were used widely throughout ancient Europe. These particular amphorae are of Roman manufacture, circa the second century B.C. Much controversy erupted around the finds because Spain and Portugal both claim to have discovered Brazil around 1500 A.D. Roman artifacts were distinctly unwelcome. More objectively, the thought of an ancient Roman crossing of the Atlantic is not so farfetched. Roman wrecks have been discovered in the Azores; and the shortest way across the Atlantic is from Africa to Brazil -- only 18 days using modern sailing vessels. [Science Frontiers, No. 28: Jul-Aug 1983; Photo from Professor Legner Faculty Homepages]

9 posted on 07/30/2011 9:13:38 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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