[Don W]

Correct me if I'm mistaken Ichabod1, but I think he was referring to the way the nannies will blame smoking for a death if there is any remote possibility that the person was exposed to tobacco at any point in their lives. See my comment HERE.

It's similar to the demonization of driving after a couple of beers: at first it was "alcohol-CAUSED" accidents, but when the number of accidents dropped, they had to move the goalposts, so it became "alcohol INVOLVED". "Alcohol caused" means the driver was unequivocally over the legal BAC limit (though THAT standard is constantly moving too), whereas "alcohol involved" simply means that there was booze in one of the vehicles!

Say you stop off on the way home a pick up a bottle of wine for dinner. Then, after putting the bottle in the trunk, you get t-boned by a blue-hair in a Buick. Neither of you has a drop of alcohol in your system, but there is booze in one of the cars VOILA! "ALCOHOL INVOLVED!"

If you look closely, you'll see that it is the same group of people pushing both these agenda.

[Gabz]

Believe me Don, I thought about that possibility, but I have been burned too often on these threads to leave anything to chance anymore.

If you are correct in your assessment, I will be the first to apologize........something ninny nannies will never do.

If you look closely, you'll see that it is the same group of people pushing both these agenda.

You need not look all that closely, and it is not just these two agendas - all of the nanny-state lovers are part of the the same clique with much of the same funding and all of the same agenda.