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To: AnAmericanMother

“The only ‘dumpers’ I know of are the puppy mills.”

You need to get out more. As mentioned in the article, folks can get turn a quick buck selling in demand and irresistible puppies. If the dog doesn’t sell and outgrows the cute puppy stage they aren’t going to raise the dog - they dump them off.

“The ONLY people that breeding legislation will catch are the reputable hobby breeders.”

Wrong mindset. Reputable breeders who follow the laws are signaling to consumers interested in a quality dog that they’re legit. A person on the lookout for a healthy well adjusted pooch will seek those folks out. It sucks breeders are subject to laws but guess what - you’re a business. Red tape happens. Furthermore when your “product” is Rover, its pretty unrealistic to think the dog loving public isn’t going to insist on legal liability to protect said pooches. The “not wanting my community to suffer from the don’t give a damn breeders” folks like myself sure will.

“unfactual rhetoric (which you are repeating)”

By all means please point out what I’ve said which is false. I’m sorry that people like me get in the way of your irresponsibility but till you start compensating me for my tax bill from your dog cash crop, the animosity will continue.


34 posted on 07/16/2011 6:39:56 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Hey Tea Party folks - what about Social Security reform?)
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To: KantianBurke

>Reputable breeders who follow the laws are signaling to consumers interested in a quality dog that they’re legit. A person on the lookout for a healthy well adjusted pooch will seek those folks out. It sucks breeders are subject to laws but guess what - you’re a business.<

Business:
2. the practice of making one’s living by engaging in commerce : the world of business | whom do you do business with in Manila? | [as adj. ] the business community | [with adj. ] the jewelry business.
• trade considered in terms of its volume or profitability : how’s business?
• a commercial house or firm : a catering business.

No, you are engaged in a hobby if you are breeding dogs reputably. Commercial breeders and “puppy mills” are businesses. Hobby breeders breed for pleasure and for the art of producing superior dogs, not to support themselves. On the contrary, if you breed dogs reputably you will not come near breaking even on your expenses, much less making a profit.


35 posted on 07/16/2011 7:39:09 PM PDT by Darnright (There can never be a complete confidence in a power which is excessive. - Tacitus)
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To: KantianBurke
Hobby breeders are NOT a business. You don't make money, as I noted earlier.

That means that the draconian regulation being proposed (very expensive licenses, inspections, etc.) will stop all hobby breeding as it will make it too expensive for a hobby.

Not to mention the government intrusion of inspections at all hours, waiver of Fourth Amendment protections, and paperwork. Hobby breeders work from their homes, and if you are unaware what a government search of your home is like, you have no idea what you are wishing on people.

The decent working or middle class people who raise first class dogs will be gone because they have something to lose. The only folks left will be disreputable thugs who are judgment proof (and already have a criminal record and don't care) and the politically influential puppy millers. And more puppies will be dumped because those amoral people will have the field to themselves.

Don't you see that this is not only a freedom-destroying line of thought, it has exactly the opposite effect from that you say you want?

Just one place where you are wrong: hobby breeders' dogs don't get dumped because they have a return policy. I suppose an evil person might do it anyway, but it's highly unlikely.

And another: I have never bred any of my dogs. I was planning to breed my Black Lab because she is an outstanding performer with a star-studded pedigree, but she has a genetic defect (EIC) which should not be passed on. So I spayed her, as any reputable person would do.

39 posted on 07/17/2011 5:30:46 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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