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Colt on the Outs as Defense Department Opens Bids for Combat Rifles
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| May 25, 2011
Posted on 05/26/2011 6:45:31 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo
I thought FN Herstal was making the M16 for the US Military?
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posted on
05/26/2011 7:25:32 AM PDT
by
donozark
(I was Amelia Earhart.)
To: Durus
More accurate? Maybe so.
But you gonna reach out and touch some terrorists with .22 caliber? I know it can be done, and is often done, but for long range and sniping, given a choice, you gonna choose a .22?
M-16 @ 5.56 was originally selected for carry-that-much-more-ammo spray-and-pray, with a wounded Sovietski actually costing Ivan more than a dead troop. Center mass, full auto, 3-5 round burst, and then on to the next target. Sequential buckshot. Hayna or no?
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posted on
05/26/2011 7:29:31 AM PDT
by
flowerplough
(Obama: "Get back inside '67 borders." / Helen Thomas:"Go back to Poland and Germany!")
To: KeyLargo
more connecticut jobs down the sewer.
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posted on
05/26/2011 7:34:10 AM PDT
by
camle
(keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
To: Durus
Other rifles that will probably be in the competition include the
FN SCAR and the
HK 416
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posted on
05/26/2011 7:34:33 AM PDT
by
PapaBear3625
("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
To: flowerplough
The AR/M16/M4 can use a wide variety of calibers. If the .223 is your objection, lobby for them to use a better caliber. Why replace the platform?
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posted on
05/26/2011 7:37:47 AM PDT
by
Durus
(You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
To: PapaBear3625
How do you figure they are better?
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posted on
05/26/2011 7:39:19 AM PDT
by
Durus
(You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
To: KeyLargo
Why not something in 7.62 x 39? Enemy weapons cache = ammo re-supply in the field.
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posted on
05/26/2011 7:39:19 AM PDT
by
DTogo
(High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
To: PapaBear3625
Both.
Yeah, I have heard that as well. Apparently, from what I read, the Army is implementing two squad riflemen now with M-14s.
The guys I talk to are mainly door kickers and I don't think ever engages over 300 yards.
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posted on
05/26/2011 7:40:18 AM PDT
by
randomhero97
("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
To: DTogo
Because the 7.63x39 has an effective range under 350m.
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posted on
05/26/2011 7:40:45 AM PDT
by
Durus
(You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
To: KeyLargo
This country has NOT WON a war since we got rid of the M-1 Garand, The Browning Automatic Rifle and the Thompson Sub-Machine Gun. Go back to these and get rid of WOMEN in the “military” and we just MAY start winning wars again.
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posted on
05/26/2011 7:41:49 AM PDT
by
US Navy Vet
(Go Packers!)
To: randomhero97
Guys I talk to who are downrange say 5.56 brings the pain just fine. I'll say this as someone who didn't shoot much prior to joining the Army. Lots of Soldiers aren't really that well rounded as shooters. I was very pleased with my M9 Beretta and M4 until I worked in a SOF unit and got to play with some other toys. My first deployment to Iraq, I had a 1911 that must have been pulled out of mothballs from the Korean War, and it shot like a champion. The M9 felt like a cheap toy after that.
I also spent a few years downrange teaching, after my enlistment was up, fielding new gear around theater(s). Soldiers instinctively get by with whatever tools they have, and have faith in their gear, even when there's a lot better stuff available. Partly because that faith gets them through some tough spots, partly because they just don't know any better.
While I'm always interested in what the troops have to say about their requirements and experiences, a little perspective about their perspective goes a long way.
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posted on
05/26/2011 7:43:34 AM PDT
by
Steel Wolf
("There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate." - Ibn Warraq)
To: DTogo
If you look at the ballistics and trajectory of the 7.62x39, you’ll see that it resembles the Win .30-30. Besides, the Russians and Chinese look like they are going away from 7.62 as well.
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posted on
05/26/2011 7:43:48 AM PDT
by
Pecos
(Constitutionalist. Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
To: US Navy Vet
The AR is more accurate and more dependable that M1. The BAR is a kickass light machine gun, no debate there. I also love the Thompson.
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posted on
05/26/2011 7:44:19 AM PDT
by
Durus
(You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
To: Steel Wolf
I had a 1911
Oh boy, now you gone and done it. I can see the .45 vs 9mm posts looming on the horizon. ; )
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posted on
05/26/2011 7:46:38 AM PDT
by
randomhero97
("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
To: US Navy Vet
Oh geez......give me a break.
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posted on
05/26/2011 7:48:44 AM PDT
by
starlifter
(Pullum sapit)
To: wheresmyusa
Shot one the other day. Very inpressive. Change out upper on the AR/M16 and mags fit in lower. Instant solution a perceived problem. Same manual of arms. Same cleaning, same accessories, etc. Also weight is close. One of the big advantages of the current platform.
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posted on
05/26/2011 7:49:57 AM PDT
by
saleman
(!!!!)
To: US Navy Vet
"This country has NOT WON a war since we got rid of the M-1 Garand, The Browning Automatic Rifle and the Thompson Sub-Machine Gun. Go back to these and get rid of WOMEN in the military and we just MAY start winning wars again."
Tsk, tsk.
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posted on
05/26/2011 7:50:23 AM PDT
by
KeyLargo
To: Durus
Beyond 350m, it would seem prudent to switch to a caliber larger than .223 or 7.62x39 anyway.
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posted on
05/26/2011 7:50:35 AM PDT
by
DTogo
(High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
To: US Navy Vet
“This country has NOT WON a war since”
...since liberals (read: Communsits) unfluenced the DoD through politics. The weapons had nothing to do with it.
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posted on
05/26/2011 7:51:50 AM PDT
by
CodeToad
(Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
To: Durus
Because the platform is high maintenance, and short on weapon life.
It always has been.
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posted on
05/26/2011 7:55:25 AM PDT
by
MrEdd
(Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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