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To: Matchett-PI
Will Catholics Be Left Behind?

I do no know, I do not judge who will be left behind. I think Our Lord Jesus Christ can handle it. His ways are beyond our ways.

I do not think IMHO that belief in the rapture or any other idol is key, Faith in our Lord Jesus Christ is key. Only the true church is raptured. The Bride of Christ.

213 posted on 05/10/2011 11:58:51 AM PDT by marbren
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To: Matchett-PI
It is more an individual relationship with Our Lord Jesus Christ thing, than a liberal group think thing. There is an invisible church of true believers that transcends denominations.
217 posted on 05/10/2011 12:25:40 PM PDT by marbren
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To: marbren

Marchett-PI wrote: “Will Catholics Be Left Behind?”

You responded: “I do no know, I do not judge who will be left behind. I think Our Lord Jesus Christ can handle it. His ways are beyond our ways. I do not think IMHO that belief in the rapture or any other idol is key, Faith in our Lord Jesus Christ is key. Only the true church is raptured. The Bride of Christ.”

Aren’t you contradicting yourself? As a Dispensationalist, don’t you believe that the Jews will be “left behind”?


220 posted on 05/10/2011 12:38:02 PM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Freedom's Just Another Word For Nothing Left to Tax " ~ Gagdad Bob)
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To: marbren
Matchett-PI wrote: "Will Catholics Be Left Behind?"

You responded: "I do no know, I do not judge who will be left behind. I think Our Lord Jesus Christ can handle it. His ways are beyond our ways."

Are you aware that the vast number of people who read the books of the type written by Dispensationalists you like to listen to are being taught that Cathothlics aren't Christians?

Left Behind creator LaHaye’s many works on “Bible prophecy” are filled with attacks on Catholicism, and often rely on sensationalism, shaky scholarship, and subjective interpretations of Scripture.

[Interjection: BTW -is “Babylon” still a code word for the Catholic Church or a worldwide system of apostasy (The Great whore) as most dispensationalists have historically called her?

Have you considered that you may have been unwittengly influenced by that lie? I just wondered, because in post number 176, you wrote this: "I believe idol worship is all around us. As You know, an idol is what we put our faith and trust in instead of Our Lord Jesus Christ. There are many protestants that worship the Bible or Church building or what ever as idols. Money is the idol for the materialistic. Do you concede it is possible for someone in a Roman Catholic church to worship Mary as an idol? ] [End interjection]

In his 1970s commentary on the Book of Revelation, There’s a New World Coming, Lindsey explained that ...not just anyone can understand the Apocalypse, but only those embracing the dispensationalist system as taught by Lindsey, LaHaye, and a select group of other enlightened Bible prophecy experts. The key is the dispensational system–­without it one simply cannot “rightly divide the Word of God.”

Thus dispensational eschatology becomes a litmus test for orthodoxy. Rejecting the system raises questions about one’s commitment to biblical inerrancy, literal interpretation of Scripture, and the belief in the pretribulation Rapture. In addition, those less than enthusiastic about dispensationalism are suspected of antagonism towards Israel. Lindsey has made it clear that those who do not embrace dispensationalism are especially vulnerable to anti-Semitism.

The “allegorical” method of interpreting Sýripture­ badly misrepresented and maligned by most dispensationalists­is is roundly condemned for draining all meaning from the Bible. Amillennialism, generally embraced by Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and most Protestants, is denounced as heretical, even demonic.

[Interjection: So anyone who isn't a Dispensationalist just cannot be a "true" Christian, according to these [fill-in-the-blank][End interjection] John Nelson Darby, the ex-Anglican priest who constructed the premillennial dispensational system in the 1830s, based it on three premises:

Jesus Christ failed in his initial mission, the Church has become apostate and is in ruins, and the Old Testament promises to the Israelites have yet to be fulfilled.

Inevitably and logically this meant that the Church is not connected to Old Testament Israel, nor is she even as important, at least in earthly terms.

The Church is, Darby taught, a “heavenly people” meant for a Christ who was relegated to a heavenly status once he was rejected by the Jews, God’s “earthly” people.

Fast forward to the future millennial reign, complete with a new Temple and reinstituted animal sacrifices. During this “Davidic reign” the Church will exercise authority from heaven­ -possibly in a huge, cubed New Jerusalem hovering over the earth.

Meanwhile, the earth will be occupied by those non-Raptured and non-glorified believers, mostly Jewish, who accepted Jesus as Savior during the Tribulation. After all, that horrific time will be for punishing an evil humanity and will be a means of bringing the Jews back to God in an ultimate display of tough love.

How odd to think that Christians who believe that the Church is composed of “Jew and Greek” alike (Romans 10:12) are sometimes suspected of anti-Semitism by those who believe that in the future, earthly millennium the Jews will be rewarded with earth while pre-Rapture Christians will achieve heaven, the grand prize.

Instead of being incarnational, history becomes fatalistic; instead of being sacramental, the material realm is cursed, even evil.

This dualism is both startling and familiar, neo-Gnostic and Manichaean.

While fighting against the “New Age” movement and its dualistic errors, dispensationalists unwittingly embrace a similar error, pitting the spiritual against the physical and the heavenly against the earthly, as though they were never reconciled in the person of Jesus Christ.

HERE

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241 posted on 05/10/2011 3:42:03 PM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Freedom's Just Another Word For Nothing Left to Tax " ~ Gagdad Bob)
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