Princess sheds new light on early Celts

BBC ^ | May 1, 2011 | Stephen Evans

[decimon]

...running around lose herding animals.

The internet has everyone writing 'loose' for 'lose' so I've been wondering when the opposite would come to be. ;-)

[hellbender]

I certainly hope that when they have finished all their tests, they give the Celtic princess a proper Celtic funeral and dump her in the sea.

[Verginius Rufus]

I think there is something in Caesar's Gallic War about Gauls (in what is now France) using Greek letters to write their language.

Acts 13-14 has information on Paul's travels through Asia Minor that could be part of the Roman province of Galatia. (I haven't checked a map to see the Roman provincial boundaries.)

The letter to the Galatians is in Greek and obviously not directed to the Celtic Galatians but rather to the "foolish Galatians" (3.1) who must obviously have been non-Celtic.

[muawiyah]

There's a wealth of information about languages used in Gaul. There had been a Greek colony settled there near what is now Marseille. In fact the current town, founded about 600 BC, was known in antiquity as Massalia (from Greek: Μασσαλία).

You can't keep that sort of thing hidden, and since it was a commercial center there were always some well-educated slaves around who could be sold to Celtic seacaptains moving hides and other commodities from Northern Spain and the British isles to market elsewhere in the Mediterranean.

The Galacians in Northern Spain have their own records regarding the departure of Galacians, with their Basque slaves, to conquer Ireland (then called Scota).

The English always dismissed those records as fairy tales because, alas, they were written in Greek and, as everybody (English) knew, there were no Greeks in Ireland!

I don't think the Brits thought all that far ~ and with a serious Greek Colony in Southern France, it was a major loss to archaeology during all those years the Brits dominated the field.

[muawiyah]

So, we've started another one of those MULTI SPELLING THINGS. Ronald Reagan appointed a guy to his cabinet as Commerce Secretary. Malcolm Baldrige died July 25, 1987, in a rodeo accident in California at the age of sixty-four. Still, an award for top level business performance was invented and named after him.

He said either major spelling of his surname was OK. Just look up "Spellings for Baldridge, Baldrige, Baldrich, Baldry......., etc.

I've found dozens of ways to spell my own surname ~ many within the same generation among members of the same nuclear family ~

[Verginius Rufus]

That Marseilles was originally a Greek colony is a well-known fact (at least to ancient historians).

Galicia in Spain was Gallaecia in antiquity. I don't know if the name is related to Gallia--but there were Celts in ancient Spain ("Celtiberians") and I think DNA studies have shown close links between the people of that area and Ireland--which doesn't necessarily mean travel from Galicia to Ireland or vice versa, but that both areas were part of the ancient Celtic world and there haven't been enough later interlopers to change the overall Celtic heritage.

[muawiyah]

Voila, modern DNA studies reveal the basic population in Ireland is essentially the same as the basic population in Northern spain who are identified as Basques.

Like the ancient Galicia "annals of the kings" tell us the Islands to the North were invaded ~ probably over a long period of time, somewhere in the 7th and 8th centuries BC by Gaelic warlords who came originally from the Danube. They took their Basque "servants/slaves/whatever" with them to Britain.

We have DNA in agreement with ancient records on what happened.

Then, in the 7th, 8th and 9th centuries AD, as Saxon warlords and their slaves ~ the Angles ~ moved from the Low Countries and the Baltic into Britain you had the Cornish warlords, and their vassals move into Spain ~ which kind of muddies the water a bit on the DNA, but we have records of this.

Today's modern Spanish list of nobles has far more than anyone's fair share of noble names most properly read in ancient Cornish.

A lesson ~ once the boat was invented there were numerous trips across the Bay of Biscay by folks on all three sides. Two major folk journeys are known ~ the Milesian invasion and the initiation of the Reconquista. Others were undetaken ~ but nobody thought them all that special!

[SunkenCiv]

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[FrdmLvr]

It’s pretty much a lost art, too.

[eleni121]

My Czech friends have known this for years.

[BenLurkin]

Couldn’t jump.

[afraidfortherepublic]

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[antceecee]

Bookmark. This is going to be an interesting thread.

[Bellflower]

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[afraidfortherepublic]

I read that they retrieved her teeth. Do you suppose they can also retrieve DNA, and what would that tell us?

[Yollopoliuhqui]

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[colorado tanker]

Thanks. I love Celtic art and ornamentation. It has a wonderful sense of movement arising from it’s curves and patterns.

[SunkenCiv]

I wholeheartedly agree.

[SunkenCiv]